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Old 09-26-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Right! Being a passenger on a diverted flight is just wonderful. No inconvenience for a hundred others aboard. Just sit there and be passive. Enjoy!
What could the passengers have done to speed things up?
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Old 09-26-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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What's 'the crew' going to do? A bunch of 5' tall middle-aged ladies are supposed to be able to 'handle' someone like that? If it would have been a passenger having a medical emergency, they would be asking for help from any doctor on the flight. What's wrong with someone who can 'handle it' doing so?

I think those cases of good samaritans being punished are outliers. The husband is a big, scary-looking guy (6'4", 250 lb biker who hangs iron for a living) who is really down to earth & polite but he sure doesn't suffer fools lightly. He's intervened plenty of times; usually in situations involving aggressive panhandlers intimidating older women or shopkeepers. It rarely turns physical; just a firm 'move along' usually does the trick but a few months ago he laid a guy out (throwing rocks at peoples cars & at a dog someone was walking & then threw a rock at him & hit his truck, started walking backward while calling him a p****) & nothing came of it. Well, the restaurant manager came out & said 'thank you'. That was about it.

Seriously, you can't be so 'obedient' & wait for an 'authority' when you are on an airplane. Yelling 'You are all screwed' is a threat & should be handled as such.

*editing to add that the smoking part was just a cry for help. He wanted to be handled, lol.

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Old 09-26-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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Right! Being a passenger on a diverted flight is just wonderful. No inconvenience for a hundred others aboard. Just sit there and be passive. Enjoy!
Do you think if a passenger intervened and subdued the guy they still wouldn’t have diverted the flight? That would’ve had nothing to do with it. They were diverting the flight to turn the passenger over to the police which would’ve happened regardless of whether a passenger intervened.
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Land of the Great Bears
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But this situation was not at that level. If he heads to the cockpit with a fire ax, then yes.

9/11 doesn't give one the right to commit assault aboard an airliner every time there is a disruptive passenger present.
A fire ax? Where do you find those on board?

Yelling "you're all screwed" could be construed as terrorist threatening.

I don't feel it would have been inappropriate for him to be "subdued".
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Old 09-26-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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If I was on that flight, I would of been very greatful, too anyone who took this guy down. Talk about stress.
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:35 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Do you think if a passenger intervened and subdued the guy they still wouldn’t have diverted the flight? That would’ve had nothing to do with it. They were diverting the flight to turn the passenger over to the police which would’ve happened regardless of whether a passenger intervened.
If you say so. Timing is everything.
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Old 09-26-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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What exactly are you criticizing here? This seems like the best possible outcome. They diverted the flight in order to get a quick police presence and nobody was hurt. Joe citizen attempting to restrain the guy would just escalate the situation.
Joe citizens need to be more active if he is uncooperative with flight attendants is smoking and says you're all going to die. Yet you prefer to wait for the plane to be diverted?

Like many people, I have zero tolerance when a smoker wants to lite up in an enclosed area and I am expected to endure it. I don't like flying to begin with so this will just make it far worse. That's not happening. Just step aside and let the guy(s) with cahones do the work.

The trend of being passive as a society and waiting for help is one of the reasons why more crimes & increased disrespectful behavior occurs. Just take the side of the offender so nothing escalates. jeez.

Teachers getting verbally & physically abused by students at high schools & can't do nothing.

A belligerent or mentally disturbed person on your flight smoking

We know he doesn't have a gun so restraining will be easy.
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Old Yesterday, 06:21 AM
 
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Do you think if a passenger intervened and subdued the guy they still wouldn’t have diverted the flight? That would’ve had nothing to do with it. They were diverting the flight to turn the passenger over to the police which would’ve happened regardless of whether a passenger intervened.
Meanwhile passive (afraid to speak) passengers will allow him to blow cigarette smoke throughout the cabin probably in kids and elderly's faces and becoming more aggressive. Remember, odds are extremely high that he does not have a gun or knife.

What if he started playing around with the emergency exit window or really kicking the front seat? Just stay put until the plane is diverted? C'mon.

A team of passengers (we're stronger together right?) would gladly intervene by obviously trying to talk him down first to be civil and if he doesn't comply to forcibly remove the cigarettes and lighter. Lives are at stake here. It's not a time to look the other way like on a bus or in a mall.

Why flight attendants don't have a pair of handcuffs or plastic hand-ties locked somewhere is beyond me from all the stories we've heard over the years of unruly passengers and even fights. Glad, I don't fly a lot domestic flights.
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Old Yesterday, 07:27 AM
 
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Yet you prefer to wait for the plane to be diverted?
The flight would be diverted regardless. They aren't going to be like "Oh well this guy was acting crazy, but our passengers swooped in and tied him up with some makeshift handcuffs, so I guess we're good to keep him on board for a few extra hours now"

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Just take the side of the offender so nothing escalates. jeez.
So you are advocating for escalating the situation? The guy was having a mental health episode and was taken to the hospital...escalating things in that situation is not going to help.

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Meanwhile passive (afraid to speak) passengers will allow him to blow cigarette smoke throughout the cabin probably in kids and elderly's faces and becoming more aggressive.

What if he started playing around with the emergency exit window or really kicking the front seat? Just stay put until the plane is diverted? C'mon.
The article said the passengers were ready to restrain him if necessary. Newsflash: It wasn't necessary! Why are you playing this fantasy game of "What if? What if?". There is no "what if". This is a real story that had as good of an outcome as you could hope for in that situation.
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Old Yesterday, 07:54 AM
 
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The flight would be diverted regardless. They aren't going to be like "Oh well this guy was acting crazy, but our passengers swooped in and tied him up with some makeshift handcuffs, so I guess we're good to keep him on board for a few extra hours now"....
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The article said the passengers were ready to restrain him if necessary. Newsflash: It wasn't necessary! Why are you playing this fantasy game of "What if? What if?". There is no "what if". This is a real story that had as good of an outcome as you could hope for in that situation.
You're also using some "what if's" by knowing the plane would divert or fly to its destination as planned if was restrained for the 100s of other innocent victims of his tirade.

The news I got was he was smoking, yelling you're all going to die, and kicked an old woman's seat. Tough to trust the news when it's not an accurate account.

Was he truly someone mentally challenged with previous episodes and fears of flying or just a drunk chain smoker being a jerk?


I was thinking of past incidents on Southwest and Spirit.


Yes, that is a good outcome but it could have been worse.

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