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Old 10-07-2019, 06:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Exactly - what about those who are just tired of living but are healthy and not suffering from mental illness. If abortion is legal because it's the woman's body with no thought given to the life inside of her, then why can't people opt out of this life? It's their body no? Seems hypocritical to me.
Iíve thought about this too. True some people are not physically ill, nor mentally ill, and appear to have everything going for them, yet they kill themselves. For whatever reason they donít want to go on.
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Old 10-07-2019, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I’ve thought about this too. True some people are not physically ill, nor mentally ill, and appear to have everything going for them, yet they kill themselves. For whatever reason they don’t want to go on.
My mother's cousin was a young married woman with a baby under a year old. She was at home with her husband, and he said he was going to go outside and get some firewood so that he could make a fire in the fireplace.

He never came back into the house, so she went to look for him. He had hung himself from a tree behind their garage. No note, no warning, no inkling of any unhappiness.

For the next year, she spent every day at his grave while others watched her son, until finally the family staged a sort of intervention and said "You have a son to raise, and you have to go on." I guess she got some counseling or something. It was a long time ago. The son is in his 40s. She had a successful-enough career and got involved in local politics. But she never knew why her husband decided to kill himself.

In a true-crime podcast I listen to, the woman says repeatedly that the only person who ever knows what a person is like inside is that person himself or herself. No matter how well you think you know someone, you don't. She's referring to murderers, of course, but we see that play out in suicides, as well.
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Riding a rock floating through space
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Glad you got out. How awful for you and all involved. Iíve often thought of those jumpers and I can see why they jumped. As for the bridge thatís gruesome. If someone botches it they can end up suffering more than they ever have.
My grandfather botched it and ended up surviving in total agony for almost 3 weeks in the hospital u til he finally succumbed. Because the cause was suicide at the time his health insurance wouldnít pay the bill, and my grandma didnít get any life insurance. It was a mess.
I think suicides are far more common than stats show for this reason. I think many accidental deaths are well thought out suicides for reasons such as insurance and not wanting to be remembered as a suicide.
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: California
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I think suicides are far more common than stats show for this reason. I think many accidental deaths are well thought out suicides for reasons such as insurance and not wanting to be remembered as a suicide.
I think so too.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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My mother's cousin was a young married woman with a baby under a year old. She was at home with her husband, and he said he was going to go outside and get some firewood so that he could make a fire in the fireplace.
He never came back into the house, so she went to look for him. He had hung himself from a tree behind their garage. No note, no warning, no inkling of any unhappiness.
For the next year, she spent every day at his grave while others watched her son, until finally the family staged a sort of intervention and said "You have a son to raise, and you have to go on." I guess she got some counseling or something. It was a long time ago. The son is in his 40s. She had a successful-enough career and got involved in local politics. But she never knew why her husband decided to kill himself.
In a true-crime podcast I listen to, the woman says repeatedly that the only person who ever knows what a person is like inside is that person himself or herself. No matter how well you think you know someone, you don't. She's referring to murderers, of course, but we see that play out in suicides, as well.
That is a mystery, isn't it, so sad for his widow. My buddy's Grandma was known for her "mean" persona, it was like she had a burr under her saddle that simply got worse over time. One day (when she was much younger) her husband said that he was going out for some ice cream. He never came back. About a year later he called her on the phone, and she let him have it with both barrels. He hung up and the family never heard from him again. Yeah, Granny was could be a real peach, I had the pleasure of knowing her (but not having to be related to her) for about twenty years or so. So, the family joke was, if there was ever a minor argument among my buddy and his wife, he would tell her "I'm going to go out for some ice cream".
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Old Yesterday, 05:24 PM
 
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Family members and friends of someone who kills themselves are not "survivors." Where did this term come from to apply here? what have they survived? The connotation of using this word in this context puts an unfair responsibility on each individual to stay alive for the benefit of others. While I think parents have such a responsibility to minor children, in all other situations when someone wants out of this life it's ok. They weren't given any say in being born so it's fair play.
There are so many things wrong with the way society views suicide, and this is a perfect example.
Survivor doesn't mean stay alive for others - it's about how the loved one must go on, after the suicide. It's similar to hearing how a loved one exited tragically, except the guilt is prevailing and intense with suicide. That probably has something to do with how society views suicide as you mentioned. For starters, I think it stems from using the word "commit" with suicide. Commit always implies a crime and suicide is not.
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Old Today, 04:28 AM
 
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Americans have made it so hard to commit suicide safely and efficiently, everybody has to search for hit-miss "coat hanger" method that make an awful mess.
So you think you should just be able to go to the gas station and buy a bottle of concentrated cyanide solution? I wouldn't support that at all.
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Old Today, 08:58 AM
 
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So you think you should just be able to go to the gas station and buy a bottle of concentrated cyanide solution? I wouldn't support that at all.
Well, no. That would be used for murder more often than suicide.

But we should be able to go to our doctor or a clinic and have them be able to do it, like Kevorkian did, only legally.
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