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Old 10-04-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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One thing I have always hated, is when people do awful things.....and they are called animals. It bothers me too no end. I call them monsters.

I think that's a little harsh for this case. I think she had a screw loose, but not a monster (especially considering the large and steep moat that ensured they were separated). The kid who mowed down the 20 kangaroos is a monster, this is not like that IMO.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Zoos should not exist because wild animals are held in unnatural confinement and exploited for the amusement of idiot homo sapiens.

Would you want to spend your entire life in prison? I doubt it.
Surprised it took this long for someone to drag this beat-a-dead-horse sidebar into the thread.

99.99% chance this understandably skeptical lion was the result of generations of captive breeding. With intent. It wasn't taken from the wild and has no sense of what that even means.

A few bits of reality for y'all:

This particular lion probably couldn't be "liberated" because it might not have the appropriate pure DNA necessary to support some declining wild population. It could make that population's problems worse. No matter how much some do-gooder animal rights loon dreams this can happen.

OTOH, this particular lion might be the vessel carrying a vital bit of DNA necessary to maintain a captively-protected bloodline across the globe until some habitat restoration goal, international conservation agreement, poacher gang brought to justice, or peace treaty is reached. Sure, you can preserve genetic information by maintaining a "frozen zoo" but you also need the lions themselves to produce that individual genetic diversity.

This particular lion might have been rescued from some spurious private breeder (you do realize there is a glut of non-zoo, captive bred lions in the US right?), and is now living a relatively humane life at this zoo.

Point being, none of that information bears on this situation. Don't try to make that happen. In the grander scheme of worldwide preservation, zoos have their role. They are not the solution to the world's wildlife woes and no one who staffs them is deluded enough to think they are. They serve a purpose and so do the animals housed there. The sated human population goes to zoos to gawk at iconic animals. At least they have enough interest in something real to bother. Yes zoos get some profit out of them and apply that profit to the less-iconic and probably more deserving obscure species they also conserve. This isn't rocket science. You care about zoo animals' welfare? Support the organizations that evaluate and manage international zoological institution programs. Or not.

Get over it already.

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Old 10-04-2019, 05:58 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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The lion thought it was a trick and said ďNo, Iím too smart to fall for this.Ē
Well he DOES kind of that 'Hey guys ... Is this a set-up?' look.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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The Lion is obviously smart enough to know that this could turn into a horrible biased story by CNN
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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Almost makes you root for the lion.
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Old 10-04-2019, 07:41 PM
 
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Surprised it took this long for someone to drag this beat-a-dead-horse sidebar into the thread.

99.99% chance this understandably skeptical lion was the result of generations of captive breeding. With intent. It wasn't taken from the wild and has no sense of what that even means.

A few bits of reality for y'all:

This particular lion probably couldn't be "liberated" because it might not have the appropriate pure DNA necessary to support some declining wild population. It could make that population's problems worse. No matter how much some do-gooder animal rights loon dreams this can happen.

OTOH, this particular lion might be the vessel carrying a vital bit of DNA necessary to maintain a captively-protected bloodline across the globe until some habitat restoration goal, international conservation agreement, poacher gang brought to justice, or peace treaty is reached. Sure, you can preserve genetic information by maintaining a "frozen zoo" but you also need the lions themselves to produce that individual genetic diversity.

This particular lion might have been rescued from some spurious private breeder (you do realize there is a glut of non-zoo, captive bred lions in the US right?), and is now living a relatively humane life at this zoo.

Point being, none of that information bears on this situation. Don't try to make that happen. In the grander scheme of worldwide preservation, zoos have their role. They are not the solution to the world's wildlife woes and no one who staffs them is deluded enough to think they are. They serve a purpose and so do the animals housed there. The sated human population goes to zoos to gawk at iconic animals. At least they have enough interest in something real to bother. Yes zoos get some profit out of them and apply that profit to the less-iconic and probably more deserving obscure species they also conserve. This isn't rocket science. You care about zoo animals' welfare? Support the organizations that evaluate and manage international zoological institution programs. Or not.

Get over it already.


Long speech.

Didn’t read.

The earth is dying, let’s solve the problem with zoos!

Let’s have ignorant people go to zoos and harass captive animals for fun!

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Old 10-05-2019, 05:52 AM
 
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Long speech.

Didnít read.

The earth is dying, letís solve the problem with zoos!

Letís have ignorant people go to zoos and harass captive animals for fun!

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Why would you quote a post you didnít bother to read? What exactly are you responding to if you didnít read it?
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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Untreated Mental illness
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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Long speech.

Didn’t read.

The earth is dying, let’s solve the problem with zoos!

Let’s have ignorant people go to zoos and harass captive animals for fun!

Ignore feature now in effect.
I could be wrong but Zoos were probably used by the British a long time ago to entertain the rich and famous with "exotic creatures" from faraway lands. I'm not entirely sure the intention was for science or preservation but more like a circus act or maybe in a Roman Coliseum battle to the death context.

So the Zoo was probably not originally intended to preserve the species and actually what the mentally ill Woman is doing is as was originally intended for the idea, so that detached British nobility could play with wild animals and experience a thrill in their dull protected lives (where the only thing that caused them harm and death was microbes they could not see.)
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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I could be wrong but Zoos were probably used by the British a long time ago to entertain the rich and famous with "exotic creatures" from faraway lands. I'm not entirely sure the intention was for science or preservation but more like a circus act or maybe in a Roman Coliseum battle to the death context.

So the Zoo was probably not originally intended to preserve the species and actually what the mentally ill Woman is doing is as was originally intended for the idea, so that detached British nobility could play with wild animals and experience a thrill in their dull protected lives (where the only thing that caused them harm and death was microbes they could not see.)
They were intended to show wealth and power by the variety of animals in them. But they were open to the public even in old times. The oldest zoo in existence still is from 1752 in Vienna, and was opened to the public in 1779. No admission fees. The first zoo open to the public is thought to be in Egypt from 1500 BC. No, conservation was not a goal then, but very few species were close to extinction then.
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