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Old 10-05-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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Interesting discussion & points of view on zoos.

Thanks guys.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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They were intended to show wealth and power by the variety of animals in them. But they were open to the public even in old times. The oldest zoo in existence still is from 1752 in Vienna, and was opened to the public in 1779. No admission fees. The first zoo open to the public is thought to be in Egypt from 1500 BC. No, conservation was not a goal then, but very few species were close to extinction then.
It still isn't the goal today either. If the main purpose of zoos was conservation, they would be built to keep the animals as comfortable as possible. But the conditions for the animals in even the best zoos are deplorable. The only nice parts of zoos are the parts humans visit.

Wildlife sanctuaries and refuges are for conservation. Zoos are for the sick entertainment of humans. They just use conservation, to try and justify it.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:40 PM
 
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Untreated Mental illness
Reported.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:41 PM
 
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Why would you quote a post you didn’t bother to read? What exactly are you responding to if you didn’t read it?
Do you know how to “skim” or see key words?
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:43 PM
 
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It still isn't the goal today either. If the main purpose of zoos was conservation, they would be built to keep the animals as comfortable as possible. But the conditions for the animals in even the best zoos are deplorable. The only nice parts of zoos are the parts humans visit.

Wildlife sanctuaries and refuges are for conservation. Zoos are for the sick entertainment of humans. They just use conservation, to try and justify it.


Yes. Exactly.
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Old Yesterday, 08:10 AM
 
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Luckily the lion had put himself on a low-fat diet, so he didn't attack.

Yeah, the lion decided to give up junk food.
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Old Yesterday, 08:28 AM
 
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What is the point of the statement though? Telling people lions aren't dangerous and it's okay to approach them as long as you're in the wild? They still kill 250 people a year in Africa, although it's speculated that it's the older and/or less well lions that turn to humans when they can't catch faster prey anymore.
Yep, meat is meat.
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Old Yesterday, 08:54 AM
 
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Surprised it took this long for someone to drag this beat-a-dead-horse sidebar into the thread.

99.99% chance this understandably skeptical lion was the result of generations of captive breeding. With intent. It wasn't taken from the wild and has no sense of what that even means.

A few bits of reality for y'all:

This particular lion probably couldn't be "liberated" because it might not have the appropriate pure DNA necessary to support some declining wild population. It could make that population's problems worse. No matter how much some do-gooder animal rights loon dreams this can happen.

OTOH, this particular lion might be the vessel carrying a vital bit of DNA necessary to maintain a captively-protected bloodline across the globe until some habitat restoration goal, international conservation agreement, poacher gang brought to justice, or peace treaty is reached. Sure, you can preserve genetic information by maintaining a "frozen zoo" but you also need the lions themselves to produce that individual genetic diversity.

This particular lion might have been rescued from some spurious private breeder (you do realize there is a glut of non-zoo, captive bred lions in the US right?), and is now living a relatively humane life at this zoo.

Point being, none of that information bears on this situation. Don't try to make that happen. In the grander scheme of worldwide preservation, zoos have their role. They are not the solution to the world's wildlife woes and no one who staffs them is deluded enough to think they are. They serve a purpose and so do the animals housed there. The sated human population goes to zoos to gawk at iconic animals. At least they have enough interest in something real to bother. Yes zoos get some profit out of them and apply that profit to the less-iconic and probably more deserving obscure species they also conserve. This isn't rocket science. You care about zoo animals' welfare? Support the organizations that evaluate and manage international zoological institution programs. Or not.

Get over it already.
The Australia Zoo that the Irwins own and run is the most wonderful zoo I have ever seen on tv. I binge watched the 1st season of "Crikey! It's the Irwins!" yesterday. Like Terri says, "it's like a resort for animals." They are also into conservation and breeding. They breed many endangered species. I would so love to be a worker or volunteer for them. Steve would be so proud of them.

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It still isn't the goal today either. If the main purpose of zoos was conservation, they would be built to keep the animals as comfortable as possible. But the conditions for the animals in even the best zoos are deplorable. The only nice parts of zoos are the parts humans visit.

Wildlife sanctuaries and refuges are for conservation. Zoos are for the sick entertainment of humans. They just use conservation, to try and justify it.
Baloney. Conservation Is the goal of most big zoos nowadays. They do need more "hands on" experiences like they do at the Australia Zoo. Being able to touch and interact with the animals helps teach people and may turn some onto a career in conservation or working with animals in some sort of capacity.
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Old Yesterday, 09:04 AM
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Lady needs a check up from the neck up
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Old Yesterday, 09:06 AM
 
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but what does the Fox say???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

This is what the fox says.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1mAd77Hr4


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