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Old 11-25-2010, 08:08 PM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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Not a very polite open minded response at all. Cyclist DO have a right to road space because all are taxpayers just like other vehicle drivers
Wait a minute not true.
I have three vehicles that I pay highway use tax every year in my property taxes to the state of NC. I have three registrations that I pay every year, I have liability ins. that I pay every year. Every time I fuel up I pay road use tax.

I have three bicycles and I pay nothing, no road use tax, no registration, and no insurance.

Why should I have to share roads with bicyclists that pay nothing to maintain them?
Talk about unfair.
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Not a very polite open minded response at all. Cyclist DO have a right to road space because all are taxpayers just like other vehicle drivers
Cyclists don't pay taxes to use the roads, only motorists do. Motorists pay for the roads in the form of gas taxes, licensing and registration fees, and must be insured in order to exercise their privilege to use public roads. Cyclists pay nothing and feel entitled not only to use the roads that only motorists pay for but also to be given equal priority as motor vehicles. Many cyclists also feel entitled to ignore the traffic laws that motorists must obey and cry foul when struck by a car, of which the driver is legally operating the vehicle. So no, you don't have a right to road space, the people who pay for it have that right.
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Old 11-25-2010, 08:55 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I gave *NO* difficult scenarios. I gave the scenarios that I live on a daily basis. Just because you may live close to everything you want in life and you obviously have no family to contend with. Don't assume everyone has the same scenarios as you do.. Cause most don't


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It seemed like from the beginning of the post people were looking to find the most difficult scenarios for bicyclists and then arguing that bicyclists wasn't practical ever. Given when someone calls what I do either impossible, impractical, or stupid it's not unreasonable for me to give an example saying I can do it in these conditions.
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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First, no one said we want to clear the road of cars. The "I don't mind" line is NOT condescending if the bicyclist doesn't mind, if he can bike in that weather; he probably doesn't mind. What IS condescending is calling anyone who choses to go out in bad weather stupid or "fake macho".
Arrgh. As a bicyclist you obviously feel that telling others that THEY can bike in horrid weather because YOU don't mind it isn't condescending. the rest of us DO feel that way. Re3menbrem, I'm RESPONDING to a statmetn, not STARTING it. You're like one of those little kids that picks on people and then when one of them responds in kind sit there and go "Why? I didn't do anything. YOU'RE the one that was mean."

Remember, this thread was about someone telling us car drivers that WE need to get out of the cars and use bikes because OTHERS do it. And when we said we have situations that make it impractical, the response was "well we don't mind those situations." And sorry, if you tell me I should do something YOU do, and I tell you the reasons it's impractical, then blowing off my concerns about it because YOU don't mind the bad weather (or the attendant safety concerns, especially in snow or rain, or in both at night) IS macho posturing, it's rude, and it's disrespectful. So you're getting these responses IN KIND and IN RETURN. If you think it's rude, think about WHY it's RETURNED to you.
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
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Cyclists don't pay taxes to use the roads, only motorists do. Motorists pay for the roads in the form of gas taxes, licensing and registration fees, and must be insured in order to exercise their privilege to use public roads. Cyclists pay nothing and feel entitled not only to use the roads that only motorists pay for but also to be given equal priority as motor vehicles. Many cyclists also feel entitled to ignore the traffic laws that motorists must obey and cry foul when struck by a car, of which the driver is legally operating the vehicle. So no, you don't have a right to road space, the people who pay for it have that right.
Motor Vehicles cost don't pay the total cost of roads, highways, etc through their taxes. Many of the design features of high speed roads (which are more expensive to build) are unfriendly to cyclists. The signs, extra lanes, long sightlines are all road features that are usually unnecessary to cyclists.

Cars are large, go faster and wear the road down much faster than a bicycle. Cars are also much more dangerous to other road users. Many drivers feel entitled to ignore the rules of the road and, at times, the road itself, speeding, driving aggressively or driving distractedly.
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Not a very polite open minded response at all. Cyclist DO have a right to road space because all are taxpayers just like other vehicle drivers
So you're implying that since I pay taxes, if I register and insure ONE car, my status as taxpayer and having paid for one car means I can use the road with ANY unregistered and uninsured vehicle I own? I'm a taxpayer so I get to use the road with a bicycle, which then also gives me as much right to use an unlicensed, unregistered, and uninsured vhicle of ANY sort, eh?

I have a bicycle, and like the others coutering you here, what we're showing is our true attitude not toward cyclists, but toward arrogant cyclists with a sense of superiority and entitlement, who are trying to tell US how to live because it doesn't bother YOU to live that way.
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Old 11-25-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Western Massachusetts
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Arrgh. As a bicyclist you obviously feel that telling others that THEY can bike in horrid weather because YOU don't mind it isn't condescending. the rest of us DO feel that way. Re3menbrem, I'm RESPONDING to a statmetn, not STARTING it. You're like one of those little kids that picks on people and then when one of them responds in kind sit there and go "Why? I didn't do anything. YOU'RE the one that was mean."

Remember, this thread was about someone telling us car drivers that WE need to get out of the cars and use bikes because OTHERS do it. And when we said we have situations that make it impractical, the response was "well we don't mind those situations." And sorry, if you tell me I should do something YOU do, and I tell you the reasons it's impractical, then blowing off my concerns about it because YOU don't mind the bad weather (or the attendant safety concerns, especially in snow or rain, or in both at night) IS macho posturing, it's rude, and it's disrespectful. So you're getting these responses IN KIND and IN RETURN. If you think it's rude, think about WHY it's RETURNED to you.
I never said car drivers should get out of their cars and use bikes. That was another poster. I could care less whether you bike or drive. It's just annoying to hear others say what I do I was impractical, or worse stupid, etc. I am responding to the response NOT the beginning of the thread. Think about YOUR response to other people's post. I did not say other people reasons for not biking in bad weather were bad reasons, I was criticizing you for attacking people (like me) who do bike in "bad" weather. Read my posts. When did I blow off your concerns?

People were listing the most impractical situations for bicyclists. I don't bike as often in bad weather myself, though I do once in a while. One could just bike in good weather. People kept approaching it as a very either / or situation.
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Wait a minute not true.
I have three vehicles that I pay highway use tax every year in my property taxes to the state of NC. I have three registrations that I pay every year, I have liability ins. that I pay every year. Every time I fuel up I pay road use tax.

I have three bicycles and I pay nothing, no road use tax, no registration, and no insurance.

Why should I have to share roads with bicyclists that pay nothing to maintain them?
Talk about unfair.
You forget that much of the road funding comes from the federal level where all who have an income pay tax.

If you don't like that bicycles are classed as "vehicles" by all 50 states then get involved in state politics to re-class them. Just don't complain here.....
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Arrgh. As a bicyclist you obviously feel that telling others that THEY can bike in horrid weather because YOU don't mind it isn't condescending. the rest of us DO feel that way. Re3menbrem, I'm RESPONDING to a statmetn, not STARTING it. You're like one of those little kids that picks on people and then when one of them responds in kind sit there and go "Why? I didn't do anything. YOU'RE the one that was mean."

Remember, this thread was about someone telling us car drivers that WE need to get out of the cars and use bikes because OTHERS do it. And when we said we have situations that make it impractical, the response was "well we don't mind those situations." And sorry, if you tell me I should do something YOU do, and I tell you the reasons it's impractical, then blowing off my concerns about it because YOU don't mind the bad weather (or the attendant safety concerns, especially in snow or rain, or in both at night) IS macho posturing, it's rude, and it's disrespectful. So you're getting these responses IN KIND and IN RETURN. If you think it's rude, think about WHY it's RETURNED to you.
Please! Keep a civil tongue in your mouth. There is no need for such rancor in this thread about the simple bicycle. If you don't like the topic then please pass it by................
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Old 11-26-2010, 01:04 PM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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You forget that much of the road funding comes from the federal level where all who have an income pay tax.

If you don't like that bicycles are classed as "vehicles" by all 50 states then get involved in state politics to re-class them. Just don't complain here.....
Sorry but this is the Automotive forum, you don't belong here with your Bicycle talk.
If you want to preach to the choir you will have to start a thread on the Bicycle forum.

In all fairness to bicycle riders on the roadway I will give you as much highway room as you pay for. That being any part of the road that I am not using. The part I am using is from the center line to the outside edge of the pavement, you are entitled to use from the edge and any part of the shoulder that I am not using.


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[SIZE=-1]ADJECTIVE:[/SIZE]
  1. Moving by itself; self-propelling or self-propelled.
  2. Of or relating to self-propelled vehicles.

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