DART Expansion

[DallasDream]

I just have a question. Is it adviseable to stay near a dart station or are there bus facilities which connect from let say if i stay in coppell is there any bus connection to North carrolton dart station.

[rantanamo]

Originally Posted by mm4

I think too much emphasis is being made on TOD right now. It's nice when it happens, it's an anticipated outcome of siting a station, but it just happens, in its own time and way, just one of the benefits of a rail system. It's not the reason for doing one. They're sited so that they approximately hit already developed areas for a reason.

People should just walk to the stations and use them. MTA's Canarsie stations are strewn with vacant lots and mid century logistics warehouses and the Breukelen Houses projects. BART's Oakland Airport, Daly City, etc. aren't aberrations, they're very much the norm. Stations are really still about just getting from one place to another more cheaply and sometimes faster than by car. With a little legwork.

more emphasis should be put on TOD. Its an opportunity to create a space that can create lots of tax base in a small space because it doesn't have to be as car oriented as other spaces. Especially when you are talking about infill areas. They also increase ridership which creates the opportunity for more TOD type development. That's just looking at it from a purely economic standpoint. From a lifestyle standpoint, for a city like Dallas, that's so spread out, the more TOD, the easier it is for one to live in less space. Semi-self contained suburban nodes are built all the time. Why is this same concept not applied to new urbanists type developments? You can't fault the City at least. They have thrown bone after bone at developers, only to have them try and develop other areas. Look at the West Village area. Huge TOD opportunity. Huge cinergy opportunity for hotels and condos that would actually sell, huge opportunity to create walkable amenities. It was a very natural situation within a TIF. Instead we got 1/3 of the potential. That miss is why you need to push TOD harder and harder. That's was city perception changing type of opportunity that never happened. Now other areas are more popular.

[mm4]

Originally Posted by rantanamo

They have thrown bone after bone at developers, only to have them try and develop other areas. Look at the West Village area. Huge TOD opportunity. Huge cinergy opportunity for hotels and condos that would actually sell, huge opportunity to create walkable amenities. It was a very natural situation within a TIF. Instead we got 1/3 of the potential. That miss is why you need to push TOD harder and harder. That's was city perception changing type of opportunity that never happened. Now other areas are more popular.

So isn't that an argument that these things can't be forced, that critical masses can't be coerced unless there's an overwhelming market behind them? People are gonna go where they're gonna go--the proof is right there in the pudding. Rent price, logistics, amenities, social network. Evidently it's not so popular that it's an instant much larger phenomenon than it already can support demand-side. This year. Or next. I mean, one could force the issue, immediately build up the balance 2/3 of the potential. But that's not how developers stay in business very long. Rome wasn't built in a day.

You could do the same with every other node on the system in the name of TOD and right away massively increase the size of the built environment inside Dallas County. Everybody hereby declares such and such as the vibrant new must-be address by virtue of tail-wags-dog, and its developable potential is realized all within a few years.

The Clarendon district of Arlington, VA, just a few blocks west of a bridge that connects Rosslyn with Georgetown didn't even start to see that kind of demand attention until 20 years after its subway system was in place, and potential residents are still discovering it among a long list of alternatives further away from the center of DC.

[Lakewooder]

However most of the CityPlace/West Village area is/was owned by one developer...so some of that can be blamed on them..

[wankel7]

What is the deal with no overnight parking?

The sign in the North Carrolton parking lot says nothing over 24 hours.

They have a green suitcase in an advertisement for the Green Line....why would anybody need a suitcase on the Greenline if you can't travel overnight?

[momof2dfw]

Originally Posted by wankel7

What is the deal with no overnight parking?

The sign in the North Carrolton parking lot says nothing over 24 hours.

They have a green suitcase in an advertisement for the Green Line....why would anybody need a suitcase on the Greenline if you can't travel overnight?

Not sure. ???

I've left a car overnight at the Garland lot a few times and nothing happened.

Odd that if the rail did connect to the airport some might like to use DART to get there over a taxi or something????? Who knows?????

[Lakewooder]

Slow Train Coming: First Look At DART's First Streetcar Audition Downtown - Dallas News - Unfair Park

[dfwcre8tive]

DART's Orange line opened to Irving/Las Colinas today. The next extension to DFW Airport property opens in December, followed by direct rail service to the airport's terminals in 2014.

http://www.nbcdfw.co...-164247146.html

University of Dallas Station:



Las Colinas Urban Center Station:



Irving Convention Center Station:



From DART Image Library: DART.org - Newsroom Image Library

[Spade]

Congratulations to DART, Dallas, and Irving.

[kazyn]

They also opened a transit station in North Plano at Tennyson and the toll way....... they changed my bus route and I missed it this morning as a result Gotta get up about 12 minutes earlier now. Oh well.