Would I like Frisco? (Houston, Dallas: low income, law school, universities)

[Overcooked_Oatmeal]

It's hilarious to me there are urban snobs in Dallas of all places when the "city" is pretty suburban in nature with a cluster of office buildings in the middle that passes for a Downtown. Hell, the burb I live in across the river from DC I moved to last year has more urbanity in it than the entire metroplex, but we stay in our lane and know we're a burb. Like that other poster said, the DFW area is no panacea for urbanism.

I'm glad to hear there are black professionals who are brave enough to move to Frisco and weren't redlined to Carrollton or Irving. I'm pretty sure if certain percentages get too high, Celina and Gunter will be the next boomburbs in the next few decades, but here's to progress!

[hamiltonpl]

Originally Posted by Overcooked_Oatmeal

It's hilarious to me there are urban snobs in Dallas of all places when the "city" is pretty suburban in nature with a cluster of office buildings in the middle that passes for a Downtown. Hell, the burb I live in across the river from DC I moved to last year has more urbanity in it than the entire metroplex, but we stay in our lane and know we're a burb. Like that other poster said, the DFW area is no panacea for urbanism.

I'm glad to hear there are black professionals who are brave enough to move to Frisco and weren't redlined to Carrollton or Irving. I'm pretty sure if certain percentages get too high, Celina and Gunter will be the next boomburbs in the next few decades, but here's to progress!

What forum are you reading? We have repeatedly said Dallas is suburban. That is why it is frustrating when people pass it by for the suburbs.

DC is absolutely more urban that Dallas. But nobody is making an argument otherwise.

Originally Posted by hamiltonpl

Dallas is an immaculate city and quite suburban compared to any other town its size. The suburbs aren't just clean -- they are sterile.

Please don't confuse our boosting Dallas with pretension or snobbery. It is just often overlooked by people looking to relocate. Just give Dallas a fair shot in your home search. I think you will be happy with the choice.

[Overcooked_Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by hamiltonpl

What forum are you reading? We have repeatedly said Dallas is suburban. That is why it is frustrating when people pass it by for the suburbs.

DC is absolutely more urban that Dallas. But nobody is making an argument otherwise.

Yes, I know that you admit this, so we actually agree, so just know that I wasn't specifically talking about you. I'm referring to other posters that try so hard to make Dallas something that it's not.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by Overcooked_Oatmeal

Yes, I know that you admit this, so we actually agree, so just know that I wasn't specifically talking about you. I'm referring to other posters that try so hard to make Dallas something that it's not.

I have lived in Manhattan AND Dallas. There is no question that Dallas isn't a dense urban walkable "sell your car and rely on mass transit/your own two feet" kind of city. I'm quite certain I've never written a post presenting Dallas as such, and neither have Lakewooder, pepper, or the other posters who live in Dallas proper....I have no idea how you pulled that out of this thread.

However, Dallas (on the whole) meets OP's "wants" better than Frisco (on the whole) as far as offering a diverse, progresive population and "cool" neighborhood hot spots for a night out. That was the criteria OP presented in his very first post and the criteria I (among others) used to present some neighborhoods in Dallas proper to him.

Is Dallas Manhattan or London? No! But if one (in general, not refering to OP anymore) wants to live close to the arts community or fine shopping and a wide selection (acknowledging suburbs do offer a selection) of dining and entertainment options AND the possibility of being able to walk to dinner without crossing a 6-lane major thoroughfare, Dallas is going to offer those people who value those things much, much more than the suburbs do.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

I have lived in Manhattan AND Dallas. There is no question that Dallas isn't a dense urban walkable "sell your car and rely on mass transit/your own two feet" kind of city. I'm quite certain I've never written a post presenting Dallas as such, and neither have Lakewooder, pepper, or the other posters who live in Dallas proper....I have no idea how you pulled that out of this thread.

However, Dallas (on the whole) meets OP's "wants" better than Frisco (on the whole) as far as offering a diverse, progresive population and "cool" neighborhood hot spots for a night out. That was the criteria OP presented in his very first post and the criteria I (among others) used to present some neighborhoods in Dallas proper to him.

Is Dallas Manhattan or London? No! But if one (in general, not refering to OP anymore) wants to live close to the arts community or fine shopping and a wide selection (acknowledging suburbs do offer a selection) of dining and entertainment options AND the possibility of being able to walk to dinner without crossing a 6-lane major thoroughfare, Dallas is going to offer those people who value those things much, much more than the suburbs do.

I agree with this. If my favorite neighborhoods in Dallas were in my price range, I'd most likely live in Dallas.

But they're not. So for me Richardson was a good compromise on price vs proximity. I've been very satisfied so far with my decision to move here and the city management is extremely impressive. That's why I continuously recommend Richardson to people that I think would like it. It's not that I hate Dallas or think that the suburbs are better.

[1928]

Dallas has a scene for art, fashion, food, music, architecture, education, literature and politics. Frisco has a scene for ?

[kreeyax]

Originally Posted by 1928

Dallas has a scene for art, fashion, food, music, architecture, education, literature and politics. Frisco has a scene for ?

Soccer. And moms. Soccer moms?

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by kreeyax

Soccer. And moms. Soccer moms?

Don't forget chain restaurants.

[Big G]

I thought it was a shopping mecca.

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I call BS on the Dallas "education scene", though. What - El Centro? SMU - prep boy party central? I don't think so. And don't even get me started on the trainwreck that is DISD.

UTD in Richardson has more brainiacs, both faculty and students, than anything in Dallas.

[Lakewooder]

So it's OK to generalize/stereotype and be snobby about SMU and DISD?