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Old 11-20-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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and there are two other locations that will take down their cash-pay booths...others will follow later as the NTTA is taking down all cash-pay booths I think...

so some people in Dallas area that don't have the toll tag will be bothered but
will make some people with rental cars pay a lot in fees to rental companies--
they need to be straight before they drive out if they are using Dallas Tollroad especially...
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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When NTTA was redoing the Wycliff Toll Plaza they announced they were "temporarily" converting the cash booths to ZipCash to alleviate construction backups.

I told my wife "Temporary my ass. They're using this as an excuse to test cashless billing throughout their entire system. They'll convert the whole system to ZipCash and fire the tollbooth attendants. Will we see reduced rates because of this sudden influx of revenue? Not a chance in hell."

And what will they do with all this revenue? Borrow more money to build more toll roads.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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give bonuses to the execs that thought of and allowed it

just make anyone you know who will be renting a car and driving on these roads aware of this fact--
the rental car companies are using no-pay toll roads as a way to really enhance their take from car rentals
even if they have EZpass stickers on cars (which most of them don't) they still charge the renter fees enough to make a big profit
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Old 11-21-2010, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Tyler's tollroad, Loop 49 is also cashless.

Pretty soon nowhere in the state will have toll booths is my prediction.

Sucks to be those fine people making an honest living. I've never encountered a rude tollbooth operator in Texas.
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Forney Texas
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thank God. The toll booths cause a huge traffic jam at rush hour. Get a toll tag and be done with it. Why not take advantage of paying almost half the price with the toll tag.
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Plano
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Just another legal way to extort more money from us in the form of a fee when renting a car. Where are the days that when a toll road pays for itself, the toll part ceased to exist. It sounded good in theory, right?
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Just another legal way to extort more money from us in the form of a fee when renting a car. Where are the days that when a toll road pays for itself, the toll part ceased to exist. It sounded good in theory, right?
The problem is that a traditional toll road is a terrible investment.

With a traditional toll road the government says "I need to borrow xyz to build this road." They then sell bonds and use a portion of the tolls to pay interest to the bondholders. The bondholders stop making money as soon as the original principal is paid off (much like a government bond with a variable term).

With the new "toll road" scheme, companies are essentially setting up a continuous revenue stream for their investors, and the state gets kickbacks (oops my bad, revenue) in the form of an up-front payment and residual toll revenue. It's a win-win for the government. They get up front money to build new roads, and they get their road funding source lined by taxpayers without having to use the phrase "tax increase."

The state assures "the company" that nobody will compete with their toll road, and the state also assures they'll do everything they can to ensure maximum revenue generation (by making the "freeway" a frontage road with stoplights timed at just the right intervals to push people onto the toll road).

The state also gives "the company" nearly unfettered power to a) take private property needed for the roadway via eminent domain and b) set/adjust toll rates without governmental oversight.

A simple $2 billion investment on a roadway over 50 years can return $20-$30 billion in revenue to "the company" and the state.

Proponents of for-profit tollways always say two things:

1) "Only drivers who use the toll road pay for the toll road."
False. The Texas Transportation Commission is legally authorized to loan toll road operators gas tax revenue to bridge funding gaps in their contract. That means even if you never drive on the toll road, you may have paid for a portion of it.

2) "The toll road pays for itself and nothing else."
Also false. The revenue collected from the up-front payment and residual toll revenue is used to fund "near-term, near neighbor" highway projects. Revenue from the Sam Rayburn Tollway (SH121) was initially slated for projects all over Denton, Dallas, and Tarrant Counties, including the widening of FM-423 from The Colony to US380, an expansion of Freeport Parkway near DFW Airport, and expansion of SH114 near Texas Motor Speedway. The state also shifted some of that revenue to the new SH161 tollway project (one tollway paying for another). If you use the Sam Rayburn, you're paying for other roads that you may never use.
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