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Old 06-04-2011, 11:11 PM
 
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Are you a homesteader? Do you grow your own crops and raise your own beef. I doubt it. Homesteaders tend not to have "tree people" and "lawn guys". Illegal immigrants are used heavily in agrobiz to harvest crops and process animal flesh. If you eat, you pay indirectly for the illegals. There is just no way around it.

Now, if you happen to have an all American "organic farmer dude", who supplies you with all your veggies and beef, AND you never eat out, Then and only then can you call the rest of us "cop outs"
Most migrant farm workers are here legally.

To a degree you are right....there is no question that some of the things I buy have been labored over by illegals. The difference between you and me is that I understand the net, net, net of illegal labor is a massive negative to the economy. Therefore I try very hard not to support illegal labor.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:13 PM
 
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Is your painter here legally though? If so I may have some work to throw his way.

I think anyone could kick my lawn guy's butt; he's pretty small. But you don't have to be He-Man to push a mower. He's good people. And my lawn and edging are lovely.
My painter is 100% legal. However, he is working on a hotel rebuild project in NY state and will not be back here til August or September.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:19 PM
 
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I've cut sheep with my teeth - think about that for a second, worked in the oil patch. You have no idea.

He may not have any idea, but I do........both absolutely thankless, even if the second is usually well-paying for the backbreaking labor.
For sure. The sheep cutting paid zero wages as the sheep were ours. The oil patch paid really well.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Well as far as the Illegal thing goes...It's simple and it's like this. If you knowingly hire an Illegal to do anything you are breaking the law, you are commiting a crime and you are no better than a criminal...It's the law. Why do people not understand this????

I am totally against using illegals, my housekeeper is a college girl born in McKinney, my lawn guy is legal work at TI and does lawns on the side. My mothers nurses are Legal the guys that did my fence after the last storms were off duty firemen all of them, not just the boss.............
It's easy to find legal people if you're not lazy....
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Well as far as the Illegal thing goes...It's simple and it's like this. If you knowingly hire an Illegal to do anything you are breaking the law, you are commiting a crime and you are no better than a criminal...It's the law. Why do people not understand this????

I am totally against using illegals, my housekeeper is a college girl born in McKinney, my lawn guy is legal work at TI and does lawns on the side. My mothers nurses are Legal the guys that did my fence after the last storms were off duty firemen all of them, not just the boss.............
It's easy to find legal people if you're not lazy....
I agree with every word.

It's time to start busting business and get the word out to individuals that hiring illegals is:

A. illegal period
B. very bad for the economy
C. hurts the lower end of wage earners the most
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I agree with every word.

It's time to start busting business and get the word out to individuals that hiring illegals is:

A. illegal period
B. very bad for the economy
C. hurts the lower end of wage earners the most
Agreed on all points. If you employ illegal labor, you're part of the problem.
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Old 06-05-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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Most migrant farm workers are here legally.
An article in today's Fort Worth Star-Telegram says *80%* of migrant farm workers are illegal! The sad thing is that those jobs are literally back-breaking, pay a pittance, and are seasonal, so Americans do not want to do them. The H2B visa program is too cumbersome and slow. By the time a worker's visa would be approved, the crops would have rotted in the fields!

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To a degree you are right....there is no question that some of the things I buy have been labored over by illegals. The difference between you and me is that I understand the net, net, net of illegal labor is a massive negative to the economy. Therefore I try very hard not to support illegal labor.
I cannot support illegal labor. As an HR manager, if I knowingly hire an illegal at my company, I commit a felony crime punishable by a big fine and federal prison time. Personally, all of the people who work on/in my house (landscaping company, plumber, housekeeper, etc.) are all legally employed.
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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I agree with every word.

It's time to start busting business and get the word out to individuals that hiring illegals is:

A. illegal period
B. very bad for the economy
C. hurts the lower end of wage earners the most
Tell this to the hypocritical Republicans in Austin.

The current law being drafted makes it illegal for companies to hire illegal immigrants, but it has a loophole,....it allows homeowners to hire illegals.

Go figure
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Grapevine, Texas
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The current law being drafted makes it illegal for companies to hire illegal immigrants, but it has a loophole,....it allows homeowners to hire illegals.
This law is for the homeowners' protection!! Would you want to be convicted of a felony if the guy you hire to mow your lawn happens to be an illegal alien? What about your elderly parents being convicted of a felony if the guy they hired is an illegal alien?

Most Americans have no idea what a valid Permanent Resident Card (aka "green card") or Employment Authorization Card looks like. As an employer, I have to keep up with these documents because it is my profession. But most average homeowners have no idea how to determine if someone's documents are valid or fake, and to self-educate yourself about these things is actually very cumbersome.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well as far as the Illegal thing goes...It's simple and it's like this. If you knowingly hire an Illegal to do anything you are breaking the law, you are commiting a crime and you are no better than a criminal...It's the law. Why do people not understand this????

I am totally against using illegals, my housekeeper is a college girl born in McKinney, my lawn guy is legal work at TI and does lawns on the side. My mothers nurses are Legal the guys that did my fence after the last storms were off duty firemen all of them, not just the boss.............
It's easy to find legal people if you're not lazy....
Thank you!

It's amazing how some out there try and rationalize hiring them. It's illegal yet they still do it. It makes you wonder how many other laws they ignore .
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