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Old 06-06-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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Let me cut and paste what you googled...

"According to the latest United Nations Statistics data (United Nations Statistics Division - National Accounts) the United States is the largest manufacturing nation, with an output of approximately $1.83 Trillion. This is followed by China at $1.79T, with these two nations far outstripping any other nations (Japan $1.05T, Germany $767B and Italy $381B). The rate of growth in manufacturing in China far outstrips that of the US, with its manufacturing industry growing more than an order of magnitude in the last two decades, during which the US has not even doubled its output."

Those stats are a couple of years old so if china hasnt outpaced us by now they probably will when Ford and GM move over there...
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:05 PM
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Location: Texas
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The laws of economics won't be thwarted by the laws of man. The never ending printing of dollars to pay for government services we can't afford has led to the outsourcing of labor and production as it has become prohibitively expensive to operate here. Mix in massive cronyism/corporate wellfare in the ways "government funds" are distributed back to the people (which are too stupid to realize they are really taking it on the chin when the welfare check arrives) along with the regulatory/compliance costs which hurt small businesses disproportionally compared to mega corps/politically well connected, and I'm surprised the world hasn't seen through the BS notion that somehow America is needed to drive the global economy. We are damn near a banana republic, and there will be hell to pay when our currency is no longer regarded as the reserve currency of the world.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Forney Texas
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I work in the construction industry and I would say about half are illegal in Dallas. Lots of them have fake ID's that work even when cops check them out. So wether you want to or not your supporting illegal immigrants even if you only hire "american" workers.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I work in the construction industry and I would say about half are illegal in Dallas. Lots of them have fake ID's that work even when cops check them out. So wether you want to or not your supporting illegal immigrants even if you only hire "american" workers.
What are the odds when your handyman or laborers are black or caucasian and have no accent?
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Forney Texas
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What are the odds when your handyman or laborers are black or caucasian and have no accent?
a lot better. But Im talking about the construction industry as a whole. I am willing to bet that every roof that you walk under has had at least one illegal working on that crew if not more. Same can be said for concrete, drywall, and every other trade. I know for a fact its true in the roofing industry.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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a lot better. But Im talking about the construction industry as a whole. I am willing to bet that every roof that you walk under has had at least one illegal working on that crew if not more. Same can be said for concrete, drywall, and every other trade. I know for a fact its true in the roofing industry.
Probably. All I can tell you is I do not contribute to the problem by employing illegals to work on my house.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:21 PM
 
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Let me cut and paste what you googled...

"According to the latest United Nations Statistics data (United Nations Statistics Division - National Accounts) the United States is the largest manufacturing nation, with an output of approximately $1.83 Trillion. This is followed by China at $1.79T, with these two nations far outstripping any other nations (Japan $1.05T, Germany $767B and Italy $381B). The rate of growth in manufacturing in China far outstrips that of the US, with its manufacturing industry growing more than an order of magnitude in the last two decades, during which the US has not even doubled its output."

Those stats are a couple of years old so if china hasnt outpaced us by now they probably will when Ford and GM move over there...
1. Don't humor yourself. I didn't need to google anything.

2. FYI - The UNIDO just a few weeks ago listed the top manufacturing countries like this:

1. US
2. China
3. Japan
4. Germany


At some point they will pass us in gross manufacturing $. The problem for them is they make, along with some really cool stuff to be sure, towels, cheap furniture, bad wrist watches, awful beer, cheap tools, cheap chemicals that are often not what they are supposed to be, fake drugs, plastic toys etc. We make and ship them extremely high end machine tools, aircraft parts, all sorts of high end electronics that they can't make not iPads but switch gear, spectrum analyzers, specialty oil tooling etc. We buy low end cheap labor crap - they buy values added stuff from us.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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I work in the construction industry and I would say about half are illegal in Dallas. Lots of them have fake ID's that work even when cops check them out. So wether you want to or not your supporting illegal immigrants even if you only hire "american" workers.
I bet that percentage is about right.

One must do the best he can.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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1. Don't humor yourself. I didn't need to google anything.

2. FYI - The UNIDO just a few weeks ago listed the top manufacturing countries like this:

1. US
2. China
3. Japan
4. Germany


At some point they will pass us in gross manufacturing $. The problem for them is they make, along with some really cool stuff to be sure, towels, cheap furniture, bad wrist watches, awful beer, cheap tools, cheap chemicals that are often not what they are supposed to be, fake drugs, plastic toys etc. We make and ship them extremely high end machine tools, aircraft parts, all sorts of high end electronics that they can't make not iPads but switch gear, spectrum analyzers, specialty oil tooling etc. We buy low end cheap labor crap - they buy values added stuff from us.

China will never be a threat like everyone thinks if for no other reason than the Entrepreneurial spirit will always prevail over Centrally Planned.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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China will never be a threat like everyone thinks if for no other reason than the Entrepreneurial spirit will always prevail over Centrally Planned.
Agreed. They are kicking our butts in the global energy resources gathering race. However, we have much more BTU value of oil, gas and coal than they do. It's not even close. Other than that and organized state sponsored cyber-crime we lead them in every important category.

Many people either lose their perspective or the don't have any perspective to begin with regarding the Chi-com economy. Per capita our economy is nearly SEVEN TIMES larger than China's. We still manufacture more stuff and way better stuff than China. Heck the UN still classifies China as a developing country.
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