Forbes.com: Return to the suburbs is the new move to the city (Dallas: living in, restaurants)
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That's the truth! Dallas is a great place to work, but NOT a great place to live.
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Originally Posted by DaveG99
The schools are terrible downtown.
Plano is the best city in the world
You get a way bigger house in Plano for the money
The crime near the city is terrible
Old houses are crappy compared to newer ones
Was there a point to this other tahn to create trouble. I would say most of the people on here are pro-suburbia. Most of the people who come looking for advice are family who as well also want suburbs. There's a handful of people who appreciate city life. It's their choice, so what. To each his own. Cities are not right for everyone, nor are suburbs right for everyone.
Was there a point to this other tahn to create trouble. I would say most of the people on here are pro-suburbia. Most of the people who come looking for advice are family who as well also want suburbs. There's a handful of people who appreciate city life. It's their choice, so what. To each his own. Cities are not right for everyone, nor are suburbs right for everyone.
This. However, I'm not a fan of the car-based sprawl that characterizes this city. With better planning our suburbs could have been more walkable. I don't automatically think the suburbs are evil; if you have a couple where both of them work in Plano or Frisco, it makes sense for them to live close to where they work from a sanity and environmental standpoint, not to mention financial standpoint.
What annoys me is when people dismiss Dallas for the wrong reasons, or dismiss suburbs for the wrong reasons. I live in Richardson for a variety of reasons...it's affordable, it has lots of character that I love, and the location is terrific for commuting to different parts of the metro area. Is it perfect? No, but no place is.
this. However, i'm not a fan of the car-based sprawl that characterizes this city. With better planning our suburbs could have been more walkable. I don't automatically think the suburbs are evil; if you have a couple where both of them work in plano or frisco, it makes sense for them to live close to where they work from a sanity and environmental standpoint, not to mention financial standpoint.
What annoys me is when people dismiss dallas for the wrong reasons, or dismiss suburbs for the wrong reasons. I live in richardson for a variety of reasons...it's affordable, it has lots of character that i love, and the location is terrific for commuting to different parts of the metro area. Is it perfect? No, but no place is.
Manhattan is just a few 1000 wealthy yuppies and wealthy families in finance industry who can afford to re-create a semi-suburban lifestyle in city (w/lg apts, Mercedes in $1000/mo garages and >$5MM wkend houses in Hamptons to escape the concrete cesspool)...rest of NYC (incl suburbs) is millions of poors and alleged middle-incomes with arguably lowest std of living of any major US city: suffering immense income/prop taxes, housing costs and ThirdWorld 90 min each-way, smelly train rides to office in nasty yr-round weather (amidst decrepit HVAC)
And SiliconValley, like Dallas/Houston/LA, is suburbanized and decentralized where major company HQs like Apple, Google, etc are in low-key suburban office parks and wealthiest workers (incl the <40yo millionaire/billionaire engineers) most often choose to live in a big new house on a leafy >2ac lot in a suburb within a pleasant 30mins drive of suburb where their office is based and drive everywhere in own Mercedes: US upward mobility, innovation and efficiency is best exemplified by the suburban lifestyles of SV/LA/Dall/Hou...not commie-wannabe lifestyles of Manhattan where per capita productivity (and std of living) is mockably low, even for those who earn >$1MM/yr
Misinformed or envy?
Per Capita Income
1 Teton, Wyoming $132,728 2 New York, New York $120,790
3 Loving, Texas $99,593
4 Pitkin, Colorado $93,465
5 Marin, California $91,483
6 Fairfield, Connecticut $81,576
7 Westchester, New York $74,878
8 San Mateo, California $71,753
9 Morris, New Jersey $71,713
1. New York County (Manhattan), NY 20%
2. Fairfax County, VA 17%
3. Hunterdon County, NJ 16%
4. Westchester County, NY 16%
5. Fairfield County, CT 16%
6. Somerset County, NJ 16%
7. Nantucket, MA 16%
7. Marin County, CA 16%
8. Loudon County, VA 16%
9. Morris County, NJ 15%
10.Nassau County, NY 15%
Millionaire population per metro area
1. New York - 720,000 (4.6%)
2. Los Angeles - 256,000 (2.5%)
3. Chicago - 212,300 (2.7%)
4. Washington DC - 164,400 (3.7%)
5. San Francisco - 147,400 (4.1%)
6. Philadelphia - 110,400 (2.4%)
7. Boston - 109,100 (2.9%)
8. Houston - 96,000 (2.1%)
9. Detroit - 92,000 (2.6%)
10. San Jose - 88,000 (5.9%)
Richest Zip Codes, IRS
1. New York, NY 10111 $922,834 ($1,234,972)
2. New York, NY 10167 $863,843 ($1,412,072)
3. New York, NY 10286 $721,000 ($388,447)
4. Miami Beach, FL 33109 $533,062 ($2,180,105)
5. New York, NY 10106 $528,021 ($809,817)
6. New York, NY 10165 $523,615 ($499,273)
7. New York, NY 10105 $505,130 ($533,687)
8. New York, NY 10112 $504,891 ($2,239,881)
9. Los Angeles, CA 90067 $500,106 ($546,672)
10. New York, NY 10110 $498,111 ($533,480)
BEA : 250 Highest Per Capita Personal Incomes of the 3113 Counties in the United States, 2009 (http://www.bea.gov/regional/reis/pcpihigh.cfm - broken link)
This. However, I'm not a fan of the car-based sprawl that characterizes this city. With better planning our suburbs could have been more walkable. I don't automatically think the suburbs are evil; if you have a couple where both of them work in Plano or Frisco, it makes sense for them to live close to where they work from a sanity and environmental standpoint, not to mention financial standpoint.
What annoys me is when people dismiss Dallas for the wrong reasons, or dismiss suburbs for the wrong reasons. I live in Richardson for a variety of reasons...it's affordable, it has lots of character that I love, and the location is terrific for commuting to different parts of the metro area. Is it perfect? No, but no place is.
What kind of "character" do you speak of...the big "R" on the street signs?
Richardson is about as bland as almost every other suburban community in North Texas. They really should do more to promote their "Chinatown" in that small older section of town even though its just a couple of run down strip malls, just as Dallas should promote its larger Koreantown/warehouse district in Northwest Dallas. That's just my opinion though.
D/FW feels very fragmented to me with no real sense of community in most areas save a few in Dallas & Fort Worth proper.
What kind of "character" do you speak of...the big "R" on the street signs?
Richardson is about as bland as almost every other suburban community in North Texas. They really should do more to promote their "Chinatown" in that small older section of town even though its just a couple of run down strip malls, just as Dallas should promote its larger Koreantown/warehouse district in Northwest Dallas. That's just my opinion though.
D/FW feels very fragmented to me with no real sense of community in most areas save a few in Dallas & Fort Worth proper.
My neighborhood was built in the mid-1950s and retains its mid-century charm and character with modest, well-tended properties, mature trees, etc. The area also has a lot of ethnic markets, primarily Indian, Middle Eastern, and east Asian. If you think my part of Richardson is entirely lacking in character, you're either a hopeless snob or you haven't actually been there. Sorry, but there it is. Calling a spade a spade.
^ I wouldn't mind him at all. He makes it pretty clear that if it isn't Houston (Tyler to an extent), then nothing is good enough for him.
Ah, one of those.
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