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Old 09-29-2011, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Emirates airline adding flights to Dallas, Seattle - BusinessWeek

This seems very natural. The Dallas-India market is huge (almost 500 passengers per day) and there is no better carrier to serve it.

Right now, Emirates flies to Houston twice a day. When the Dallas flight starts, both Dallas and Houston will be daily. Eventually, Houston will get a second flight again.

They are also starting Seattle, but what they really wanted was Vancouver. The Canadian government denied it.

Great news for North Texas!
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas
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With flights like these, I wish the Concorde was back. 16 hours of flight time is sooooo long. This is great news for a friend who goes to Qatar once a month which is just a hop from Dubai.

Naima
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Virginia Highland, GA
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Atlanta has had flights to and from Dubai and Abu Dhabi for a while now...........
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Old 09-29-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Atlanta has had flights to and from Dubai and Abu Dhabi for a while now...........
Three things:

1) Atlanta has a flight to Dubai. It's never had a flight to Abu Dhabi and probably never will.

2) The Atlanta-Dubai flight is on Delta, this is Emirates. The DFW-Dubai flights cater more to traffic originating in the Middle East/India. The Atlanta-Dubai flights cater to US originating traffic. Having Emirates fly to the Middle East is more significant than having Delta or American fly there.

3) Atlanta doesn't have anything to do with this.
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Euless, TX
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I've heard their radio ads for the past two weeks and thought it was strange that they would run them here on a local station since their nearest destination was Houston, but after reading the announcement on the airport's site it makes sense. It's great to see another foreign carrier serve DFW after the addition of QF in May.

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Old 09-30-2011, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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I've heard their radio ads for the past two weeks and thought it was strange that they would run them here on a local station since their nearest destination was Houston, but after reading the announcement on the airport's site it makes sense. It's great to see another foreign carrier serve DFW after the addition of QF in May.
I wasnt sure Emirates would come to DFW with no arrangement with American and given that they fly to Houston, but to those of us in the airline industry, DFW getting a Middle Eastern carrier was going to happen. I personally had my money on Etihad because they codeshare with American and they dont fly to Houston. Emirates is better anyway because they fly to so many places in India, which is a huge market from DFW.

Its been a really good year for DFW with regards to international service. Since January 2011:

1) Korean Air added additional frequency to Seoul
2) Qantas started Brisbane/Sydney from DFW
3) Emirates annouced Dubai from DFW
4) American started DFW-Rio de Janeiro and added additional frequency to Sao Paulo and Santiago
5) American Eagle added Morelia, Mazatlan, Qeretaro, and additional frequency to San Luis Potosi and Aguascalientes.

Good year so far!
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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@Justme02, do you think Emirates will lead to the end of KLM service at DFW? KLM had already been planning reductions.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Euless, TX
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Yes, I know Etihad was considered the popular choice, but at any rate I'm glad to see Emirates coming here.

This has been a fine year for DFW, although I do miss seeing Korean's 744s, but I did catch their Skyteam 777 last week.

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Old 09-30-2011, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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@Justme02, do you think Emirates will lead to the end of KLM service at DFW? KLM had already been planning reductions.
To be perfectly honest, yes.

EK's expansion in the United States has and will continue to hurt the European carriers, but of all the European carriers KLM is the one that will really take it in the shorts. The big reason is that of all the European carriers, KLM depends the most on connections through Amsterdam.

DFW is an interesting market. Most American cities have more demand to secondary cities in Europe and would never be able to support a flight to the Middle East. DFW is different. There isnt as much demand to secondary markets in Europe (for its size), but we make up for it by huge demand to India and Africa which Emirates is perfectly situated to serve.

That established, ever since American and British Airways have gained pricing power, Lufthansa and KLM have had a more difficult time competeing. However, what has helped Lufthansa and KLM is traffic to India and the Middle East. Emirates will take the bulk of that. With most of that now gone and no ties to American Airlines, there is probably room for only one more. From there, I think it boils down to yields and local market.

DFW to Frankfurt is the largest Texas-Germany local market. Its a substantial local market that requires little connecting traffic to fill the plane. By contrast, DFW to Amsterdam is not a large or lucrative local market. Its about 40 passengers per day and a CASM 60% of DFW-Frankfurt. Houston accounts for 75% of the Amsterdam bound traffic in Texas.

A good way to look at it is, "what international routes could DFW support with out any help from American Airlines?". Based on O&D numbers, in Europe those markets are London, Paris, and Frankfurt along with an addition destination for connections. The local market to Europe without any connections could fill 5 flights a day. However, the local market to India, the Middle East, and Africa could fill another 3.

For the European carriers, there is overlap and that is why Emirates will hurt KLM, by far, the most of the carriers at DFW. The local market is the smallest and with a direct connection to South Asia, it takes some demand away from the European Carriers.

There are actually two potental victims in this scenario (one might fall, but probably not both):

1) KLM for reasons Ive outlined
2) American's DFW-Frankfurt flight. The reason for this is that American has had many, many contracts to connect travelers to the Middle East from various companies. As Emirates comes around, that will be a better option for most of them. Lufthansa's DFW-Frankfurt flight would not be as affected because that flight does not have many contracts with it.

This may actually be a blessing in disguise for Lufthansa at DFW. If Emirates does wipe KLM out of DFW, that takes pressure off of them. Then they can focus more on the higher yielding local traffic instead of play grabs for the India market.

Hope that makes sense.
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