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Old 01-26-2012, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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All types of industries are subject to regulation of some type or another. Tell me where you have seen somebody suggest that we need deregulation of industries that pollute waterways.
All the GOP candidates keep talking about how we need to deregulate industries. Guess what, a blood stained river is what you get when you deregulate industries.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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It seems we might need some funding to make regular investigations, and for enforcement though. This kind of stuff shouldn't require a lucky amateur to catch it.
Exactly. Regulations without enforcement is exactly why things like this occur. Think BP oil spill in the Gulf.

But don't tell the GOP candidates down in Florida campaigning.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Stop buying meat from the company that owns the plant.
People aren't going to do that, in a recession they'll buy the cheapest meat. Also, hardly anyone knows about this. The market doesn't punish anyone.

One of the fundamental responsibilities of government is law enforcement, i.e. punishing those that violate existing laws (and this is certainly illegal).
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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All types of industries are subject to regulation of some type or another. Tell me where you have seen somebody suggest that we need deregulation of industries that pollute waterways.
After the BP oil spill, Obama pushed for greater regulation in the Gulf to prevent accidents like that and many people raised the "we need deregulation not more regulation"...
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Well there are regulations in place against this. So clearly more regulations are not the answer.
So less are?
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Seems about right. This is certainly a big attention getting story, and we as individuals may be able to put it together. A: only thing in that area that should create that colour is hogs blood, B: Slaughterhouse has illegal pipe running to spot where red began. C: (according to Dallas Observer) their water usage and sewage usage does not seem to match what would be needed without some dumping = They are illegally dumping hog blood. It is one thing for us to think that or say that. It is quite another for the city or news to say it. We are only a few days in. Sooner or later the city or USDA will have enough evidence to confirm (or possibly but less likely deny) this, or a news agency will dig up enough to expose it. Till then this is really all they can say, frustrating though it is.
The bad thing is that this is very close to downtown Dallas. Doesn't bode well for Dallas' image.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Southlake. Don't judge me.
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After the BP oil spill, Obama pushed for greater regulation in the Gulf to prevent accidents like that and many people raised the "we need deregulation not more regulation"...
Oh lookie, politics! And on the internet! Wow, I haven't seen politics on the internet in SO LONG, it's GREAT to see it REALLY getting brought up here, on a forum about...er, Dallas.

Well, I'm so grateful to be able read about politics on the internet, because it's almost impossible to find there. The only thing more difficult to find on the internet is probably porn.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:21 PM
 
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So less are?
Quite frankly I'm for the absolute minimum number of regulations possible. However, I'm all for rigorous enforcement of those rules and significant punishment for intentional law breakers.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Junius Heights
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Quite frankly I'm for the absolute minimum number of regulations possible. However, I'm all for rigorous enforcement of those rules and significant punishment for intentional law breakers.
Spot on. Regulations should go as far as they need to, no more no less. I don't think right now slaughterhouses are under-regulated, but I agree that the laws and regulations are terribly under-enforced. Look at how many fewer inspections of facilities, and product there are then there used to be. I don't think there are any new regulations needed here, the problem is that it was allowed to get to this point. There have been rumors and complaints about this kind of thing going on for a while. There is no way inspections should be so infrequent and so poorly carried out, that anyone should be able to build, maintain and use an illegal dumping pipe like this. The penalties also need to be severe. It is ridiculous to pass laws and regulations, and - as is done in many cases - keep the penalties so small that it makes economic sense to break the law and pay the fines when caught, rather than to follow the law.

Another regulation here would be like looking at a murder and finding that the murderer was rumored to be trying to kill the victim, bought illegal poisons, built a complex poison delivery system, left that in plain view, and then complaining that what we really needed was a new stronger anti-murder law. No what we need is competent aggressive enforcement.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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Default Disgusting madness

Neighbors regularly heard the sounds of squealing pigs being slaughtered. Thousands of gallons of blood drained. Dead pig carcasses chopped, sliced and diced. All so that we can have bacon, ham, hot dogs, baby back ribs to munch on.
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