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View Poll Results: How is Dallas traffic now compared to 10-20 years ago?
Better 5 12.20%
Same 13 31.71%
Worse 23 56.10%
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Unread 02-15-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Not that I know of. It seems that they would rather have drunkards driving on the streets than riding on the train. I'm wondering why MADD isn't doing anything about this. I guess they're only worried about punishing those who drive drunk, not offering an easy alternative.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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I guess they're only worried about punishing those who drive drunk, not offering an easy alternative.
ding ding ding - MADD supports the criminal industrial complex we've got going on in this country.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I am saying that new development and redevelopment will be built around DART stations. DART rail was constrained by having to use old railroad lines, otherwise it would have never happened. Also there are a couple of streetcar lines in the works in Central Dallas, in addition to the expansion of MATA (McKinney Avenue Trolley). And there will be another Downtown line - I believe it's called "D2".
That is happening in Charlotte, NC now, where a similar light rail system exists. At least it is on the line going South from downtown (Uptown) Charlotte.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I am saying that new development and redevelopment will be built around DART stations. DART rail was constrained by having to use old railroad lines, otherwise it would have never happened. Also there are a couple of streetcar lines in the works in Central Dallas, in addition to the expansion of MATA (McKinney Avenue Trolley). And there will be another Downtown line - I believe it's called "D2".

Yep. I also don't think the lines are in terrible places, other than some of the more sparse parts of southeast Dallas once you get past Fair Park. I don't see anything wrong with the red line to east Plano, blue line to Garland (especially once the Lake Highlands Town Center develops) or the orange line going to Carrollton and ultimately Denton. The future line to DFW Airport will help ridership numbers a lot. The only place I wish they had a line that they don't (for my own selfish reasons) is the more central part of East Dallas. A line that went somewhere through southern Lakewood/Junius Heights/Santa Monica/Forest Hills/LFH/Casa Linda. I feel like the demographic in this area would be really open to riding the train if it was immediately available and a close walk/bike ride away. A crosstown line from the blue line to the southern green line wouldn't be bad for that. Of course, I guess that's what buses are for, too.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Yep. I also don't think the lines are in terrible places, other than some of the more sparse parts of southeast Dallas once you get past Fair Park. I don't see anything wrong with the red line to east Plano, blue line to Garland (especially once the Lake Highlands Town Center develops) or the orange line going to Carrollton and ultimately Denton. The future line to DFW Airport will help ridership numbers a lot. The only place I wish they had a line that they don't (for my own selfish reasons) is the more central part of East Dallas. A line that went somewhere through southern Lakewood/Junius Heights/Santa Monica/Forest Hills/LFH/Casa Linda. I feel like the demographic in this area would be really open to riding the train if it was immediately available and a close walk/bike ride away. A crosstown line from the blue line to the southern green line wouldn't be bad for that. Of course, I guess that's what buses are for, too.
It's the stigma buses have. People are more open to riding rail.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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No matter what gets built, people will complain. Dallas is about to finish the largest light rail system in America and people will still complain. Why doesn't it go to Casa Linda, why doesn't it go to Addison, on and on... They used existing rail corridors. That's why we don't have the middle of the street bumpercars like Houston had to resort to.

Oh and if we had built a system like Houston in the middle of the road that could go to Casa Linda, people would be bitching about how it destroys cars and kills people constantly.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 03:18 PM
 
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Yep. I also don't think the lines are in terrible places, other than some of the more sparse parts of southeast Dallas once you get past Fair Park. I don't see anything wrong with the red line to east Plano, blue line to Garland (especially once the Lake Highlands Town Center develops) or the orange line going to Carrollton and ultimately Denton. The future line to DFW Airport will help ridership numbers a lot. The only place I wish they had a line that they don't (for my own selfish reasons) is the more central part of East Dallas. A line that went somewhere through southern Lakewood/Junius Heights/Santa Monica/Forest Hills/LFH/Casa Linda. I feel like the demographic in this area would be really open to riding the train if it was immediately available and a close walk/bike ride away. A crosstown line from the blue line to the southern green line wouldn't be bad for that. Of course, I guess that's what buses are for, too.
Well there was a chance for that on the old Santa Fe train corridor. However, before DART it was proposed a freeway be built on it...so naturally folks already had their guard up and were ready to shoot anything else down. But the real deal-killer is that Mesquite did not join DART.

Personally, I am happy to have the Santa Fe Trail going from White Rock Lake and Tenison golf courses through Lindsley Park, Lakewood Country Club, Randall Park (Long and Woodrow campuses) to Deep Ellum and eventually be linked to Downtown and Fair Park.

I am in JH and can catch a bus two blocks north on Gaston or one block south on Abrams (Columbia). Or I can call DART on Call or a taxi for $10 to go anywhere I would consider going... I would like to see a Gaston streetcar line, but they are also talking about one going through Deep Ellum.
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Unread 02-15-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Well there was a chance for that on the old Santa Fe train corridor. However, before DART it was proposed a freeway be built on it...so naturally folks already had their guard up and were ready to shoot anything else down. But the real deal-killer is that Mesquite did not join DART.

Personally, I am happy to have the Santa Fe Trail going from White Rock Lake and Tenison golf courses through Lindsley Park, Lakewood Country Club, Randall Park (Long and Woodrow campuses) to Deep Ellum and eventually be linked to Downtown and Fair Park.

I am in JH and can catch a bus two blocks north on Gaston or one block south on Abrams (Columbia). Or I can call DART on Call or a taxi for $10 to go anywhere I would consider going... I would like to see a Gaston streetcar line, but they are also talking about one going through Deep Ellum.
Yeah, I guess I know it's not ever going to happen. Like I said, my own selfish reasons. I understand there's not going to be a line going through every single neighborhood. The trail system that Dallas has developed, including Santa Fe, is a jewel. I'm glad that didn't get sacrificed.

Also, in old East Dallas you're close enough to downtown that I guess it's not as important. I hadn't heard about the possible streetcar line in East Dallas. That would be exciting.

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It's the stigma buses have. People are more open to riding rail.
Unfortunately, that's true, too, for a lot of people.

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No matter what gets built, people will complain. Dallas is about to finish the largest light rail system in America and people will still complain. Why doesn't it go to Casa Linda, why doesn't it go to Addison, on and on... They used existing rail corridors. That's why we don't have the middle of the street bumpercars like Houston had to resort to.

Oh and if we had built a system like Houston in the middle of the road that could go to Casa Linda, people would be bitching about how it destroys cars and kills people constantly.
That's true, I will ***** about anything.

Although, isn't Addison eventually going to be on the Cotton Belt?
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Unread 05-22-2012, 07:18 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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The USA's 10 worst metro areas for traffic congestion (2010 ranking in parentheses)
1. Honolulu (1)
2. Los Angeles (2)
3. San Francisco (6)
4. New York (3)
5. Bridgeport, Conn. (5)
6. Washington, D.C. (4)
7. Seattle (8)
8. Austin (14)
9. Boston (9)
10. Chicago (7)

Biggest increases in congestion 2010-11
1. Tampa
2. Jacksonville
3. Greenville, S.C.
4. Atlanta
5. Orlando
6. Las Vegas
7. Miami
8. Houston
9. Charlotte
10) Phoenix

Biggest decreases
1. Minneapolis
2. Akron, Ohio
3. Honolulu
4. Sacramento
5. Provo, Utah
6. Seattle
7. Buffalo
8. Cleveland
9. Syracuse, N.Y.
10. Youngstown, Ohio

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-22/traffic-congestion-down/55120930/1
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Unread 05-23-2012, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Texarkana
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Thanks for the link.
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