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Old 03-17-2012, 12:10 AM
 
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I know the CCs do, but who wants to take those kind of courses there.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I know the CCs do, but who wants to take those kind of courses there.
The kind who wants to get into med school, pharmacy school, etc. The CCs offer those classes primarily as a service for non-traditional students, as they attract very few takers from their primary student body.

Most of the time, you're using the same textbook and doing the same labs as you would anywhere else. Thus, it's possible for a motivated student to extract the same information from the class, and to use that information to get an appropriately high score on the related part of the MCAT or other subject-based admissions test.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Houston (Bellaire)
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Those graphs don't look the same, honestly.
Just some kind advice: when you post data images without linking them to a source, it's not particularly helpful.

Here's some more comprehensive and possibly more current data that conveys what I was talking about - the Common Data Sets of the two universities. Looking over the data from the past few years (in light of the variability from year to year), the two schools are very comparable overall.

http://www.utdallas.edu/ospa/stats/CDS.html
http://smu.edu/ir/Common_Data_Sets.asp

Both schools average between a 52 and 55% acceptance rate annually, with UTD's acceptance rate generally being slightly lower.

SMU students score about 30 points higher on the verbal section of the SAT, while UTD students score on average 15 points higher on the math. The ACT 25/75 percentile scores averag 25 to 30 at both schools, with SMU consistently having at least a few percent more students scoring a 30 or higher.

About 10% more of each incoming freshman class at SMU was in the top 10% of their graduating class, however, about 15% more incoming students at UTD had a 3.75 GPA or higher.

Overall, SMU might come out with a slight advantage if you really crunch the numbers, but the difference is inconsequential - these two schools are indeed peers in terms of objective measures of student body quality.

Fortunately I don't have a dog in this fight, so I don't care whether or not you or anyone else "agrees" with me. The data, self reported by each university, speaks for itself.
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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The kind who wants to get into med school, pharmacy school, etc. The CCs offer those classes primarily as a service for non-traditional students, as they attract very few takers from their primary student body.

Most of the time, you're using the same textbook and doing the same labs as you would anywhere else. Thus, it's possible for a motivated student to extract the same information from the class, and to use that information to get an appropriately high score on the related part of the MCAT or other subject-based admissions test.
wrong. med schools dont want you taking science courses at a CC.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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wrong. med schools dont want you taking science courses at a CC.
Well, then how do you explain people who start at the CCs, then transfer to a 4-year school? How do any of them end up in med school?

How about those who graduate with a degree in something like English literature, then, years later, take CC classes to complete the prereqs for a med school application? That does happen - successfully - from time to time.

Admittedly, it's not often, as the reason they shied away from a scientific major usually kicks up again in the CC classes. But if you can bring your "A" game, med schools are surprisingly agnostic about where you learned your stuff, just how well you know it, as shown on the MCATs. That's particularly true if you can make a credible case that the CCs were the only feasible option for your life situation.

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I'll agree with you that if you're already in a 4-year school like UTD, dropping down to Richland to take your prereqs will be seen as "dogging it".
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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My wording was bad. They prefer students to not take prereqs at CC, but if you do, that won't stop you getting into med school. Usually, not always, CC courses arent as rigorous as the ones at a university. And of course you can do well on the MCAT. All you really need are the princeton review/kaplan books and practice tests to score well.
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