Which DFW city is the next Southlake? (Dallas, Plano: section 8, sales)
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Okay, I've done my research on cities, schools, taxes, commuting times on most of the Dallas suburbs/cities (eg; Frisco, Allen, Murphy, McKinney, Rockwall, Lewisville etc...) as we are relocating later this year. Husband working in Richardson so limited search to nearby cities.
Please don't answer back with a million negative posts about Southlake - my point is really "where is the next city in the Metroplex to see good growth, good house appreciation, has good schools, at least some infrastructure? Where traffic is not a total nightmare, city has good planners, taxes not too high, etc..."
In other words, where is the place to buy now, that in ten years time will be the number one place to live in the Metroplex. Get out your crystal balls, I can't wait to hear your answers!:p
Wow, that's a tough one. It would have to be a community with only higher level homes, no or few entry level homes or apartments.
I'm interested to watch what happens to Lovejoy ISD as they transition to having a full high school. That might be an area to watch. What is that? Fairview and Lucas?
Actually I think more close in places will appreciate rapidly as the old yucky stuff in Dallas gets torn down and replaced with new.
Glad you mentioned that area - I have been looking at the Lovejoy ISD areas, including Fairview etc...I did find a couple of areas in Allen that attend Lovejoy schools - Stacey Ridge Estates being one - which I am hoping gives me all the amenities Allen has to offer, plus smaller schools.
I did read on another thread that Lovejoy only offers AP or advanced classes in high school - not sure, however, how that will fit with my "Bart Simpson" type teenager, who hates the academic side of school!
Oh yeah, my son is not an academic overachiever either. Actually he is dyslexic, hates school, but at least likes the social aspects. I have him in private school and it's so much better. My brother was a Bart Simpson, too, not a skateboarder but a Led Zepplin type kid called "freaks" back then and my parents regret not putting him in private school - something like Walden Prepatory which is for creative black clad types.
If I had to put him in public I would not want him in one of these hyper academic ones like Plano or Allen. He would need to be in a more laid back school like Richardson High School.
don't know the district but how can a hs ONLY offer AP classes--that would be a very select group of homes that the students come from...
Lovejoy ISD is in Allen TX--there are several different types of development going on out there--as well as the older homes/businesses from before developers found Allen--
does Allen city council have the unified vision and do the voters have the desire to keep this an exclusive area like Southlake does?
if not--then it will be another Keller or Mansfield...
Last edited by loves2read; 09-20-2007 at 07:48 AM..
I meant Lovejoy ISD is in Allen in addition to Lucas and Fairview --I thought that was a hot development area--did a quick MLS search for home in 300-500 range and found there are several homes on market and quite a few are dropping their prices--maybe that is because of seasonal slow downs == maybe it is because people are worried about the commute into Plano or Dallas...it is pretty far out there and I don't know how many businesses are relocating out that way...
I know that Frisco has businesses locating there--my husband had to drive from FTW office to see company his is doing a deal with and it was housed in Frisco--he was kind of surprised that it had a suburban location like that instead of Irving/Las Colinas or Dallas...
Last edited by loves2read; 09-20-2007 at 08:02 AM..
Probably Frisco. They might as well change their city flag to a construction worker's helmet. Every time I go to an FC Dallas game there is a new McMansion development or a new retail center being built.
Sorry to be negative but I hope we never see another Southlake. How sad people feel that that must live among only other high income people of the same color in similar homes and all go to the same national chains and franchises. They expect cities like Dallas to take care of the poor, indigent health care, educate the less fortunate and build their roads, airport and cultural facilities. Then, instead of being grateful, they denigrate Dallas.
How boring/boorish and selfish can people be? I am much better person for growing up with variety. You may take issue with my criticism but I feel very fortunate living in the 'dreaded' inner city.
LAKEWOODER--normally I agree/respect most of the posts you put up--but where do you get off saying that Southlake residents "denegrate Dallas". and why should they be grateful to Dallas---do you expect the people of Beford or Frisco or Rockwall to be grateful to Dallas--get off it...the people in Dallas aren't grateful to Dallas half the time
People in Southlake paid for THEIR roads the same way that people in Dallas paid for THEIRS--why ever would yu write something so short-sighted ... should I pay tax in Dallas if I drive over to the Galleria to shop (quell horror--the chain stores!!!) or to the Angelika to see a movie--I thought that was the purpose of sales tax-to catch out of town as well as in town users of streets and city services???
I don't think residents of any town or community ASK for Section 8 housing to come in or community homes for parolees or want to see a development going in next to theirs that is likely to reduce property values instead of enhance them...that is just like shooting yourself in the foot and calling it a lucky opportunity to master crutches...
(and I think that you own rental properties--are any of them section 8???)
Why blame Southlake residents because the city council had the foreshight NOT to allow apartments year ago (I wish Bedford had cut back on all the ones it allowed to go in because apartments bring many problems and few dividends, especially to local schools) and because developers wanted until the past 8 years or so to be interested in Southlake.
(and if Ross Peroit Jr had ever done what he said he would do in Westlake, Southlake probably would not have been developed like it has been)...
Southlake City Council has high standards for what it allows into its city limits--why should they have to appologize for strict zoning when Dallas had the opportunity and didn't--and you really can't compare Southlake and Dallas--they are not equal in size or age or number of residents
the Southlake Town Center is a great model for how to do a walk-around retail space--much better than the Colleyville city council's try which is having a difficult time getting local or franchise businesses to open and stay in business...Donna Arp the former Colleyville mayor did a great job of selling that drive-in shopping center with such horrible parking space (because developer wanted to build/sell town homes) that shoppers don't come...interesting that she went to work for the developers after the development was approved...
You may choose not to believe it but as long as Southlake's residents don't park their cars on their lawn, let their kids or dogs run wild, raise MJ in the hot house, most people in Southlake could care less where they were born, how they vote, where they go to church or if ...Most people in Southlake share the same values whatever their ethnicity because they share the same educational levels and income levels...it is not Southlake's fault that such a low percentage of minorities make the income it takes to live in Southlake--
They don't care about who is going to the schools as long as they made decent grades and don't compromise the learning environment--I am sure that students in Southlake drink and do drugs just like students in Dallas (and my local schools) do--they have cliques--dress like MTV clones--and probably are not always politically correct in their thoughts or comments--but so far they have not made any mariajuana-laced muffins to send to teachers at their school like two Dallas boys did a while back...and they don't have a "whites only tree" like at Jena LA high school ---or at least it has not shown up in the news like their cheerleader fiascos of the past couple of years...
The missing culture--yes--I agree that might be a little light--Southlake does not have a Bass Hall, Meyerson Center or a little theater group--but the city does sponsor concerts at the band shell in Southlake Town Center, and there is a library there also...and maybe they do like I do--drive into FTW for Bass Hall performances because the drive is easier than Dallas---
The airport of choice for Southlake is most likely DFW--not Love--and it is in Grapevine/Euless but plenty of people in Southlake pay the price of fly-over noise and endure people driving through their town to get there...Southlake might have jumped at the chance to use part of its land for the airport but think don't think it was even considered because at that time there were NO roads of any meaningful size going through there--DFW went where it did because of 183's development...
Indigent health care: well there is no hospital per se in Southlake--there is one in Trophy Club and one in Grapevine--both privately owned--Southlake homeowners are taxed by the county hospital district--just like ALL Tarrant county homeowners-- for the "poor people's hospital" FTW's John Peter Smith--indigent people in Keller, Bedford, Hurst, NRH--all go there--Southlake residents probably never USE it--but they pay MORE per house for it than residents of towns like Bedford, Hurst, Grapevine, NRH, Haltom City because their houses have higher taxed value--
JPS apparently IS the only county hospital around that has not given in to providing FREE health care to illegal aliens/residents--indigent citizens whether they are homeowners/tax payers or not can get health care costs prorated according to their income and some people pay basically $0.00--
ILLEGAL aliens are not supposed to be treated at JPS except for emergency care because that is the BOARD'S desire based on the input from the taxed communities--THEY don't want their taxes to go up to pay for health care for people who don't pay homeowner taxes and cant pay the price of health care...but it is not just SOUTHLAKE residents only (if any) who favor that stance--there are plenty of towns like Bedford where I live where people don't want higher taxes to pay for better local police service or to keep our library from being out-sourced...not to mention illegals' health care...
Most people WANT what Southake has--call it a Stepford existance or one like the town in the movie Pleasantville--people want safe neighborhoods with rising property values, good retail/commercial areas that generate tax monies so their tax rates don't go up, they want schools where kids get a quality education and access to a quality future...it is just that most people can't afford to pay what Southlake residents have to pay to ensure this type of community...
To generalize and call the people of Southlake boorish/boring and selfish --really sets you up as a pontificating sort of jerk...(the sort that you usually are criticizing)
and I did not think that about you before I read that post...
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