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Old 08-22-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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We've noticed ants are coming into our house to avoid the spray. I hope this crap is not hurting the birds or squirrels.

I've been coughing my lungs out every night since they started. No problem when I'm in the medical centers (filtered air). Anybody else having issues?
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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Does the phrase "tip of the iceberg" mean anything???

In med-speak:

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Since its introduction to North America in 1999, human infection with West Nile virus (WNV) has resulted in considerable
acute morbidity and mortality. Although the ongoing epidemic has resulted in a great increase in our understanding of the
acute clinical features of human illness and helped to define associated clinical syndromes, far less is known about potential
long-term clinical and functional sequelae. Several recent assessments, however, suggest that patients—even those with
apparently mild cases of acute disease—frequently have subjective, somatic complaints following WNV infection. Persistent
movement disorders, cognitive complaints, and functional disability may occur after West Nile neuroinvasive disease. West
Nile poliomyelitis may result in limb weakness and ongoing morbidity that is likely to be long term. Although further
assessment is needed, the long-term neurological and functional sequelae of WNV infection are likely to represent a considerable
source of morbidity in patients long after their recovery from acute illness
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But one thing this study suggests is that West Nile fever is not as harmless as previously thought. It may be that there is a spectrum of illness and damage to the brain, and the virus may affect the same areas of the brain in West Nile fever patients and those with the more severe forms of infection.
In plain English:

Short-term, as in right now today, WNV might only be taking out Grandma. Long-term, the death toll from what's happening in 2012 will be much higher, and it will be impacting people of all ages. These long-term effects (including significant impact on brain function) don't just occur for those who survive the full-blown West Nile. They also show up in a significant fraction of those who just have the mild West Nile infection - most of whom don't get diagnosed. That is, you might get sick for a day or two, dismiss it as "the flu", then start suffering devastating memory loss problems 2-3 years down the road.

Best scientific estimates are that 40% or so of those displaying even mild acute symptoms will develop chronic after-effects, potentially to the point of being lethal. Figure that the diagnosed cases understate the true rate of infection by, say, a factor of 10, and now you might be looking at 100s of eventual deaths that can be traced back to a 2012 WNV infection.

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Old 08-22-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Originally Posted by xS☺Be View Post
We've noticed ants are coming into our house to avoid the spray. I hope this crap is not hurting the birds or squirrels.

I've been coughing my lungs out every night since they started. No problem when I'm in the medical centers (filtered air). Anybody else having issues?
I'm not but I know people who are. I don't know about birds or squirrels, but it is highly toxic to fish, which is why they say to cover any small fish ponds. It's also toxic to cats. I don't recall if it's the main ingredient or another one in the spray, but they used to use it in flea prevention for cats and stopped after cats began to get sick. I haven't read anything about dogs, they must not be as affected.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Originally Posted by Big G View Post
Does the phrase "tip of the iceberg" mean anything???

In med-speak:





In plain English:

Short-term, as in right now today, WNV might only be taking out Grandma. Long-term, the death toll from what's happening in 2012 will be much higher, and it will be impacting people of all ages. These long-term effects (including significant impact on brain function) don't just occur for those who survive the full-blown West Nile. They also show up in a significant fraction of those who just have the mild West Nile infection - most of whom don't get diagnosed. That is, you might get sick for a day or two, dismiss it as "the flu", then start suffering devastating memory loss problems 2-3 years down the road.

Best scientific estimates are that 40% or so of those displaying even mild acute symptoms will develop chronic after-effects, potentially to the point of being lethal. Figure that the diagnosed cases understate the true rate of infection by, say, a factor of 10, and now you might be looking at 100s of eventual deaths that can be traced back to a 2012 WNV infection.
Scary stuff. I'm not a huge fan of DEET products, but I've been using them religiously this summer.
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Originally Posted by xS☺Be View Post
We've noticed ants are coming into our house to avoid the spray. I hope this crap is not hurting the birds or squirrels.

I've been coughing my lungs out every night since they started. No problem when I'm in the medical centers (filtered air). Anybody else having issues?
We did our usual 30-mile bike ride through North Dallas, Farmers Branch, Las Colinas, Valley Ranch, Coppell, Carrolton, and back to North Dallas with no noticeable effects. It was a lot cooler, though.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Junius Heights
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My Neurologist advised me to leave town. T
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I don't mean to suggest people should be fleeing the city, or anything. I have my own deeply weird neurological issues that struck without warning a couple years ago. I mean WEIRD with a capital W. I had to go thropugh a diagnostic neurology program at UTSW to even find out what was going on. A lot of rehab/PT later, and some serious meds, and I can function, as long as I have near total control of my lighting conditions, pattern control, other factors and.... avoid most chemicals that cross the blood brain barrier.

Unless you have weird neuro issues of your own, I doubt there is anything like that for the average person to be concerned about, just the wrecking of your organic garden, death of bees, cats, etc, and the near total ineffectiveness of the spraying.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:29 AM
 
Location: East Dallas
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For a change I am pleased with Dallas City Mayor Mike Rawlings and Dallas County Judge Craig Jenkins who took a courageous position and actually dealt with an emergency. I know many do not like the spraying but I think this was an emergency that justified it. Before this is over I suspect that there will be thousands who are infected as I heard Carter Blood was alarmed at how many who gave blood had West Nile and did not know it.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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I don't mean to suggest people should be fleeing the city, or anything. I have my own deeply weird neurological issues that struck without warning a couple years ago. I mean WEIRD with a capital W. I had to go thropugh a diagnostic neurology program at UTSW to even find out what was going on. A lot of rehab/PT later, and some serious meds, and I can function, as long as I have near total control of my lighting conditions, pattern control, other factors and.... avoid most chemicals that cross the blood brain barrier.

Unless you have weird neuro issues of your own, I doubt there is anything like that for the average person to be concerned about, just the wrecking of your organic garden, death of bees, cats, etc, and the near total ineffectiveness of the spraying.
Also people living with HIV/AIDS. Saw an article from The Resource Center the other day stating that, while those living with this disease and other chronic illnesses are more likely to suffer from the effects of West Nile, they are also at bigger risk of getting ill from the spray than the general population.

Bees? Who needs `em! I'm not seeing them in my previously organic garden since the spraying started. I'm really hoping that's temporary.
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Old 08-23-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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I heard the planes over the air here in Rowlett lastnight. We are about 100 yards away from Ray Hubbard Lake, so how is it ok to spray here if its dangerous to fish?
I am not terribly happy with the spraying, the mosquitoes have not been bad around us, I already know where most of them are coming from around here and they will keep coming even after the spraying. There is a foreclosed house next door to us, property almost constantly has some kind of standing water (i've dumped it out a few times). I've reported it to the city earlier this week, hopefully they send someone to take care of it, especially the nasty trash/water filled trashcans which are probably breeding mutant mosquitoes.

Had folks in the whole DFW area been more proactive about the standing water maybe we never would have needed that spraying. I guess if I had a garden or a beehive or fish pond I would be more upset but I don't so its more just "the idea" of it that bugs me. Next year I'll probably have all the above, at which point I'd maybe have spoken up at the City Council Meeting.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Richardson (NE DFW)
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I'm not trying to sound panicky, but the message in Big G's "med speak" post has been in the back of my mind since WNV became newsworthy a year or two ago. Speaking as a popular meal for mosquitoes, I worry that a mild/undiagnosed form of WNV is to blame whenever I garble a spoken sentence or miss a target using hand/eye coordination. (Hypochondriac in training?)

It feels to me like the only way to escape the threat is indeed to leave, so the fact that a neuro would recommend it at all, to anyone, seems to confirm that feeling. Easier said than done, of course.
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