Masters degree from UT

[keepthefaith]

For this case, I believe the 10% rule would NOT apply. If I understand correctly, the 10% rule only applies to college Freshman, not grad students. This young person, Artsy, graduated from UNT undergrad, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong here.

My experience is that grad schools are not as hung-up on residency status as undergrads are. Especially when it comes to Graduate Eng programs where many schools are struggling to find US candidates. International students are coming in droves for a reason....and it ain't restrictions on admissions either. Take a look at UTDs profile. Look at the student make-up. This is about money, not just state pride. There's no graduate school football team.

Let's take a look at UTs MBA class profile for 2007:

Class Profile

• Resident: 32%
• Non-Resident: 43%
• International: 25%

Data as of September 15th, 2007Demographics:Class of 2009Class Size:264Applications:1548Women:27%Underrepresented Minorities*:8%International:25%Average Age:28Average years work experience:5Average GPA:3.38Average GMAT:673

I see 43% Non-Resident. It is not difficult for a Non-Resident to get into UT-Austin's MBA program. Actually, I think one of the issues for a UT is finding Texas students that not only WANT to attend UT, but have the type of GMAT it desires. Let's not kid ourselves either. I'm all for school pride and all...but.

Call the UT MBA admissions people and ask them if they would like to see the same quality of candidates that a Harvard/Wharton/Chicago GSB see on a consistent basis. The answer is "Yes!" I'll save you a quarter. They would LOVE to see some of those East Coast kids coming to UT with their good grades and high GMATs if they have them. The issue is: Do these kids want to come to UT? It is a "good" school.

If actions mean anything, let's take a look at the UT recruting schedule: *

I see a lot of Chicago, Atl, DC, NYC, Orlando, Los Angeles, trips. Of course, you also see Dallas, Houston, etc. I see them putting their money where their mouth is.

You can in fact compare Harvard with a UTA. People do it by computing the Return on Investment (ROI) that you receive from going to a school. If you want to ge fancy, you could even compute the NPV of each school, the Payback Period, or the Internal Rate of Return (IRR).

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by keepthefaith

For this case, I believe the 10% rule would NOT apply. If I understand correctly, the 10% rule only applies to college Freshman, not grad students. This young person, Artsy, graduated from UNT undergrad, I believe. Correct me if I am wrong here.

My experience is that grad schools are not as hung-up on residency status as undergrads are. Especially when it comes to Graduate Eng programs where many schools are struggling to find US candidates. International students are coming in droves for a reason....and it ain't restrictions on admissions either. Take a look at UTDs profile. Look at the student make-up. This is about money, not just state pride. There's no graduate school football team.

Let's take a look at UTs MBA class profile for 2007:

Class Profile

• Resident: 32%
• Non-Resident: 43%
• International: 25%

Data as of September 15th, 2007Demographics:Class of 2009Class Size:264Applications:1548Women:27%Underrepresented Minorities*:8%International:25%Average Age:28Average years work experience:5Average GPA:3.38Average GMAT:673

I see 43% Non-Resident. It is not difficult for a Non-Resident to get into UT-Austin's MBA program. Actually, I think one of the issues for a UT is finding Texas students that not only WANT to attend UT, but have the type of GMAT it desires. Let's not kid ourselves either. I'm all for school pride and all...but.

Call the UT MBA admissions people and ask them if they would like to see the same quality of candidates that a Harvard/Wharton/Chicago GSB see on a consistent basis. The answer is "Yes!" I'll save you a quarter. They would LOVE to see some of those East Coast kids coming to UT with their good grades and high GMATs if they have them. The issue is: Do these kids want to come to UT? It is a "good" school.

If actions mean anything, let's take a look at the UT recruting schedule: *

I see a lot of Chicago, Atl, DC, NYC, Orlando, Los Angeles, trips. Of course, you also see Dallas, Houston, etc. I see them putting their money where their mouth is.

You can in fact compare Harvard with a UTA. People do it by computing the Return on Investment (ROI) that you receive from going to a school. If you want to ge fancy, you could even compute the NPV of each school, the Payback Period, or the Internal Rate of Return (IRR).

The 10% rule does not apply to graduate school; UT loves out-of-state graduate students because they're paying out-of-state tuition. They like foreign students even more.

Having worked with Ivy League graduates, I fail to see why you are so impressed with them...and I personally would not take a job with a company that ranked candidates by how much they spent on their degree. Pardon my French, but that's just f*cking ridiculous. If that's how finance/banking works, that makes me all the more grateful that I don't work in that industry.

[keepthefaith]

So, here's where we stand:
-I think we agree that the 10% rule does not apply to graduate students.
-We also now understand that out-of-state residents make up a greater percentage of UT-Austin's MBA program than in state students.
-We also understand that UT actively recruits out of state students.
-We also understand that UT is a "realistic" fall back option for many out of state students.
-We also understand that many out of state students are not disappointed with the results of their application.

I'm not enamored with the Ivy League by any means. If you watched MSNBC's MBA Challenge, you saw that UT won the whole shebang. Beating out Harvard, Chicago GSB, Dartmouth, and the like in the tournament. UT puts out very good students.

Me? I'm just a UT MBA grad prone to realistic thinking and not blind allegiance that excludes facts If you want that, move to Washington and join the Bush cabinet.

I still stand by my statement for Artsy. Get an MBA from a mediocre program and you are less likely to be any better off than you were before you attended. So, no MBA from the University of Phoenix etc. Sorry if I offended anyone. It would be better for you to just get a Master's from a mediocre school and specialize in Advertising or whatever you want than an MBA from a so-so school. In my humble op, people are less picky about a Master's with a specialty than they are about MBAs. For whatever reason, the yardstick comes out on the MBAs....

Originally Posted by nativeDallasite

Given how extraordinarily competitive UT admissions have become since the 10% rule was implemented, it would be difficult for an out-of-state applicant to get into UT if they could NOT get into Georgetown or Duke.

Originally Posted by nativeDallasite

When I was a student at UT, most of the out-of-staters I knew there had achieved an SAT score above 1400...and this was the old-style SAT that wasn't as easy as today's SAT. As a state school, UT is obligated to provide for TEXANS. UT admits few students from out-of-state because the school is already packed...overcrowded, in fact...with in-state students. If the school wasn't so incredibly popular with in-state students, it might be a more realistic fallback option, but I'd venture a guess that some snobbish East Coasters who assume UT is a 'safety' for them will be disappointed with the results of their application.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by keepthefaith

So, here's where we stand:
-We also understand that UT actively recruits out of state students.

For its graduate programs, not its undergraduate programs.

-We also understand that UT is a "realistic" fall back option for many out of state students.

And we understand UT would have told some of those same out-of-state students to take a hike as undergraduates.

-We also understand that many out of state students are not disappointed with the results of their application.

Undergraduates, yes. Graduates, no.

I'm not enamored with the Ivy League by any means. If you watched MSNBC's MBA Challenge, you saw that UT won the whole shebang. Beating out Harvard, Chicago GSB, Dartmouth, and the like in the tournament. UT puts out very good students.

I'll take that as a compliment, seeing as I have a bachelor's degree from UT-Austin.

Me? I'm just a UT MBA grad prone to realistic thinking and not blind allegiance that excludes facts If you want that, move to Washington and join the Bush cabinet.

No thanks.

I still stand by my statement for Artsy. Get an MBA from a mediocre program and you are less likely to be any better off than you were before you attended. So, no MBA from the University of Phoenix etc. Sorry if I offended anyone. It would be better for you to just get a Master's from a mediocre school and specialize in Advertising or whatever you want than an MBA from a so-so school. In my humble op, people are less picky about a Master's with a specialty than they are about MBAs. For whatever reason, the yardstick comes out on the MBAs....

I had no plans to get an MBA from a mediocre school, though it's unlikely I'll ever get an MBA. I haven't ruled out graduate school but I don't work with anyone who has an MBA, and that includes everyone above me all the way up the food chain. I don't see one as necessary for achieving my personal goals. YMMV.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by unexpected

I think I wrote what I meant to say wrong...it was my understanding that the UC system guarantees admission if you're top 10%, but it doesn't guarantee you admission at a particular school...just that you'll get into at least one of the UC schools. Is this the case or am I misinformed?

Ahh, i see what you are saying. You are indeed correct, but guaranteed admission to UC Riverside or UC Merced is really no big prize. It's still extremely difficult to get in to my alma matter or Cal's southern branch in Los Angeles aka UCLA :-)

[unexpected]

Originally Posted by rb4browns

Ahh, i see what you are saying. You are indeed correct, but guaranteed admission to UC Riverside or UC Merced is really no big prize. It's still extremely difficult to get in to my alma matter or Cal's southern branch in Los Angeles aka UCLA :-)

hahaha.

What do a Cal grad and a Stanford grad have in common?

They both got into Cal.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by unexpected

hahaha.

What do a Cal grad and a Stanford grad have in common?

They both got into Cal.

True, but Stanfurd grads are still paying for their shiny degree, and do you remember the last time the Axe was in Palo Alto? Haha, neither do I!

[unexpected]

Originally Posted by rb4browns

True, but Stanfurd grads are still paying for their shiny degree, and do you remember the last time the Axe was in Palo Alto? Haha, neither do I!

haha. Cal takes that rivalry way more seriously than Stanford does, but I think that's because Stanford doesn't win more.

My siblings were sending me cell phone clips after they beat USC- the campus was absolutely nuts.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by unexpected

haha. Cal takes that rivalry way more seriously than Stanford does, but I think that's because Stanford doesn't win more.

My siblings were sending me cell phone clips after they beat USC- the campus was absolutely nuts.

I can imagine. Stanfurd is a great school. Rivalry be damned, if I go back to grad/law school and get in there I would think about it for maybe 3 seconds before saying yes. I think Cal is definitely a more fun and interesting undergrad experience though, and at least for now the better big time sports school