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Old 08-23-2018, 10:22 PM
 
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The entire city of Frisco is hemmed in by tolls roads. It's not very accessible for people of low socio-economic class.
...which is exactly how they want it.

 
Old 08-24-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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...which is exactly how they want it.
And of course the other guy's claim that Frisco is entirely hemmed in by tollroads is false.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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Frisco is an abomination of urban planning. It had a population of ~6,000 in the early to mid 1990s & now it is 160,000. That growth rate is insane. Tons of prairie land torn up needlessly. There should have been urban renewal & infill growth before needlessly tearing up land, and contributing to the urban heat island effect.

I'm not an environmentalist but seeing the way Sun Belt cities have grown firsthand has been underwhelming.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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And of course the other guy's claim that Frisco is entirely hemmed in by tollroads is false.
Yeah, I drive to Plano every day for work without taking a single toll road. Apparently Frisco has a hole in their toll road wall that they're unaware of.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Frisco is an abomination of urban planning. It had a population of ~6,000 in the early to mid 1990s & now it is 160,000. That growth rate is insane. Tons of prairie land torn up needlessly. There should have been urban renewal & infill growth before needlessly tearing up land, and contributing to the urban heat island effect.

I'm not an environmentalist but seeing the way Sun Belt cities have grown firsthand has been underwhelming.
The growth rate is directly attributable to the overall growth of the metroplex, the economy of both Dallas and the state of Texas. how does a metro area add over a million people each decade for the past three or four decades and not grow outward from the core?

Sunbelt cities have sprawled yes. But so have northern cities. The reason they haven't to the extent the sunbelt has is because of underwhelming economies and political factors to inhibit growth. The same pattern that is now Frisco started in Dallas just a few decades ago. Have friends that grew up in North Dallas and remember 635 being built in the middle of fields and nothing beyond it. What urban renewal anywhere in this metro area would accommodate 5 million people in that time span without some prairie land being developed? Dallas and Fort Worth combined (weren't a combined MSA in 1960) was less than 2 million. Well over 7 million now. Where would more than triple the population go? Where?
 
Old 08-24-2018, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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Frisco is an abomination of urban planning. It had a population of ~6,000 in the early to mid 1990s & now it is 160,000. That growth rate is insane. Tons of prairie land torn up needlessly. There should have been urban renewal & infill growth before needlessly tearing up land, and contributing to the urban heat island effect.

I'm not an environmentalist but seeing the way Sun Belt cities have grown firsthand has been underwhelming.
My problem with this entire thread is that Frisco is no different than McKinney, Allen, Plano (do you know what Parker/Preston looked like 25 years ago?), Flower Mound, and every other suburb that has seen explosive growth. Prosper (where I grew up) has been bragging about their small town feel and big lots for years. Right... None of the houses being built there are on any type of acreage and a town that was once quite negative towards big businesses moving in sure has a lot of growth along Preston/380.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Frisco is an abomination of urban planning. It had a population of ~6,000 in the early to mid 1990s & now it is 160,000. That growth rate is insane. Tons of prairie land torn up needlessly. There should have been urban renewal & infill growth before needlessly tearing up land, and contributing to the urban heat island effect.

I'm not an environmentalist but seeing the way Sun Belt cities have grown firsthand has been underwhelming.
Abomination is an understatement. Not only that, it doesn't know how to stay in its "lane" so to speak. It's trying to wipe Dallas off the map by competing with everything -- businesses, residents, etc. It's one giant race to the bottom. Frisco is the Jerry Jones of suburbs.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 01:45 PM
 
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The growth rate is directly attributable to the overall growth of the metroplex, the economy of both Dallas and the state of Texas. how does a metro area add over a million people each decade for the past three or four decades and not grow outward from the core?

Sunbelt cities have sprawled yes. But so have northern cities. The reason they haven't to the extent the sunbelt has is because of underwhelming economies and political factors to inhibit growth. The same pattern that is now Frisco started in Dallas just a few decades ago. Have friends that grew up in North Dallas and remember 635 being built in the middle of fields and nothing beyond it. What urban renewal anywhere in this metro area would accommodate 5 million people in that time span without some prairie land being developed? Dallas and Fort Worth combined (weren't a combined MSA in 1960) was less than 2 million. Well over 7 million now. Where would more than triple the population go? Where?
1. How does one add over a million people? Easy. Better urban planning! Have you seen the acres upon acres of surface parking lots in Downtown Dallas? Dallas alone could've absorbed most of the multi-family housing growth. Not having 6-8 lane arterial roads and expanding public transit/improving walkability would also help. Making SFH neighborhoods more walkable and connected to a business center. Only if you think "good" urban planning is built on the basis of "drive to everything" would a place like Frisco be justified.

2. Political factors in northern cities? If this was true, NYC, Chicago, and Boston would be declining. No, it mostly has to do with geographical/terrain constraints along with the fact each city is different from another with a totally different history.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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My problem with this entire thread is that Frisco is no different than McKinney, Allen, Plano (do you know what Parker/Preston looked like 25 years ago?), Flower Mound, and every other suburb that has seen explosive growth.

I disagree. Much of Plano's housing stock was on .25 acre lots, from the original low income price points to even upper middle class neighborhoods. McKinney has the best topography of any northern suburb, and it's also led to developers having to be a bit creative in designing their communities. Flower Mound, has a bit of both going on.


But Frisco... it seems that developers from Day 1 sought to maximize the number of houses they could squeeze in. This even extends to the highest luxury levels around Stonebriar... houses worth $2-3 million, sitting on .25 acre lots. I honestly do not know why anyone would buy a multi million dollar home in Frisco to sit on such a small lot that your neighbor's mansion next to yours is practically touching it. Lesser priced homes are typically at .20 and below. It is really noticeable when you drive through a neighborhood. Little Elm is doing much the same thing now.



I would argue that in pretty much every way, Plano did a better job of planning for growth, from attracting business, to infrastructure and roads, to the way their school districts are run. McKinney is attempting to avoid the same kinds of mistakes Frisco has made.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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Frisco is aiite its getting better, but it's all about plano!
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