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Old 08-13-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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They should be. The cowboys stadium should have been built in fair park or close by.
Then it never would have been built.

He gave the city of Dallas and Irving a chance and they could not get it done either from a planning process OR a time-to-completion even though he was willing to shoulder the risks as he did in Arlington.

Dallas could have done it and done it well given Dallas' advantages. But that would require more horsepower than the City Council and their staff have. Dallas needs to change its city government structure.

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Agree

The Cotton Bowl actually has higher capacity than Cowboys Stadium in Arlington. Would be nice if they played there, and would give more of an NCAA feel. Tickets would probably be more affordable, and you could avoid parking charges by taking DART.
The Cotton Bowl does not have a dome. And its concession and parking is very limited. A dome cannot be retrofitted. Most people cannot take Dart and Dart does not have the capacity for more than a few thousand people the way that station is set up.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Then it never would have been built.

He gave the city of Dallas and Irving a chance and they could not get it done either from a planning process OR a time-to-completion even though he was willing to shoulder the risks as he did in Arlington.

Dallas could have done it and done it well given Dallas' advantages. But that would require more horsepower than the City Council and their staff have. Dallas needs to change its city government structure.



The Cotton Bowl does not have a dome. And its concession and parking is very limited. A dome cannot be retrofitted. Most people cannot take Dart and Dart does not have the capacity for more than a few thousand people the way that station is set up.
Quite the revisionist history you have there:

"Cowboys owner Jerry Jones’ original—and only—proposal was to build the stadium on the banks of the Trinity River near downtown Dallas. To pay for it, he was asking Dallas County voters to finance half the stadium and approve a 3 percent increase to the hotel-motel tax. Within Dallas city limits, that would have increased the hotel tax to 18 percent—among the highest in the country."

D CEO : Who
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Forney Texas
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the could have bull dozed the cotton bowl and built a new one in its place. Or they could have bought up a big chunk of run down houses in the area and built on there. I dont think the cotton bowl will be around much longer anyway with the new stadium attracting all the events now.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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Then it never would have been built.

He gave the city of Dallas and Irving a chance and they could not get it done either from a planning process OR a time-to-completion even though he was willing to shoulder the risks as he did in Arlington.

Dallas could have done it and done it well given Dallas' advantages. But that would require more horsepower than the City Council and their staff have. Dallas needs to change its city government structure.



The Cotton Bowl does not have a dome. And its concession and parking is very limited. A dome cannot be retrofitted. Most people cannot take Dart and Dart does not have the capacity for more than a few thousand people the way that station is set up.
This is a good read too: D Magazine : How Pete Sessions Killed the Cowboys Stadium
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Avoiding parking is one of the reasons why Jerry never wanted to Cowboys back at Fair Park.
Cha ching.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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the could have bull dozed the cotton bowl and built a new one in its place. Or they could have bought up a big chunk of run down houses in the area and built on there. I dont think the cotton bowl will be around much longer anyway with the new stadium attracting all the events now.
Didn't it just get a reno back in 08?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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There are only 4 stadiums in the burbs: Miami, NY, DC, Dallas (SF will make it 5)
With the ongoing deliberations with the state of Georgia, the City of Atlanta and the Falcons for a new retractable dome in downtown, someone on the Atlanta forum started this thread about locations of the NFL teams. He lists more than 4, even though some of his "suburban" stadiums ARE in the city limits of their respective cities.... just in suburbanish areas not near downtown, ie San Diego.

"Most NFL stadiums are in the suburbs."
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Agree

The Cotton Bowl actually has higher capacity than Cowboys Stadium in Arlington. Would be nice if they played there, and would give more of an NCAA feel. Tickets would probably be more affordable, and you could avoid parking charges by taking DART.
A problem with the Cotton Bowl is if your seat is regular seating (not end zone) and as near as somewhere around the first ten rows - or so - you can't see through the team and have no visibility to the on field play. Just a lot of jerseys and numbers.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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With the ongoing deliberations with the state of Georgia, the City of Atlanta and the Falcons for a new retractable dome in downtown, someone on the Atlanta forum started this thread about locations of the NFL teams. He lists more than 4, even though some of his "suburban" stadiums ARE in the city limits of their respective cities.... just in suburbanish areas not near downtown, ie San Diego.

"Most NFL stadiums are in the suburbs."
Good thread, but he's arguing about zoning, not jurisdiction. Would anyone have a problem with the "Dallas" Cowboys playing out by Mountain View? I don't think anyone would bring it up; even though it's just as suburban as Arlington.
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Good thread, but he's arguing about zoning, not jurisdiction. Would anyone have a problem with the "Dallas" Cowboys playing out by Mountain View? I don't think anyone would bring it up; even though it's just as suburban as Arlington.
I don't understand the worry over them being called the "Dallas" Cowboys now when they were actually the Irving Cowboys for decades...
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