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Old 08-05-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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1)Actually I have, and they do not. Even near a levee is risky, just ask any New Orleans native who's home was destroyed by Katrina flooding

2)That is not a good example. Building an island in Japan is not the same as building a highway next to a river that floods almost every year. There's a reason why we built the big bridges over the Trinity.

Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge Flooding January 2012 - YouTube

Trinity Parkway was a disaster, and not needed.

I thought all the Mensheviks died out decades ago. LOL.

I get that you hate progress and solutions. Let it go, you have no chance to win this one.

1. You are totally wrong about Holland a number of its cities do just fine outside of its levee and **** systems. If you'd like I'll provide city names and GPS coordinates. Short of that most any town along the Germany border fits the bill. And more to the point all manner of bridges hold up well moving from levee protected areas to unprotected areas.
2. The Japanese airport is a great example. It's easier to build bridges in flood planes than man made islands in near open sea.
3. Much of New Orleans in below sea level. And even through Katrina most NO area bridges held up well.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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I get on the Sam Rayburn often.
Finally, somebody spells the name correctly!
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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I thought all the Mensheviks died out decades ago. LOL.

The word toll is a euphemism to get neo-cons on board for these projects. Most NTTA toll roads to nowhere would NEVER get voter support. Private-public projects pretend to be market driven but they usually are not. In the real world a business would never subsidize another new business with it's profits in order to build the new business especially when the new business will not produce enough money to pay for it's self. But, that is exactly what the NTTA does. The Chisholm Trail project is a 27 mile long toll road that will run from Ft. Worth southwards through Johnson County and will cost at least $750 million before debt service. NTTA's own forecasts have shown that tolls paid by Chisholm Trail users will be inadequate to cover the cost of the project. The tolls(tax money) will be made up by Dallas North Tollway users(me)! In other words, I and other Dallas county drivers will be overcharged, to subsidize another toll road to nowhere(Johnson county). That is not capitalism, and just another example of how Dallas always gets screwed for the "good" of the Metroplex! I'm rambling, but there are plenty of reasons for anyone to be skeptical of the NTTA, and it's deceptive practices.
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I get that you hate progress and solutions. Let it go, you have no chance to win this one.
Trinity Parkway was NOT progress. In fact, it would have displaced or closed businesses. I support property rights, unlike the NTTA and its zealous misinformed proponents. Also, these are taxes not tolls. Let's be realistic, the Trinity Parkway was never going to happen, because no one had the $2 billion. Highway funds are depleted, and NTTA can barely afford it's obligations, so that's why cintra is building the Lexus lanes on 635.

Furthermore, capacity does not cure congestion. I could go on and on, but the debate would never end. Here's some links:

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~mtur...r_AER_2011.pdf
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_MG748.pdf
http://www.parisschoolofeconomics.eu..._seminar3b.pdf
Driven Apart |*CEOs for Cities
Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do (and What It Says About Us): Tom Vanderbilt: 9780307264787: Amazon.com: Books
http://www.vtpi.org/cong_relief.pdf
Analysis of Metropolitan Highway Capacity and the growth in vehicle miles of travel - Springer
[0712.1598] The Price of Anarchy in Transportation Networks: Efficiency and Optimality Control
More Roads, More Traffic: Why Highway Construction Won't Solve Traffic Congestion in Washington - PolicyArchive
Suburban Nation: The Rise of Sprawl and the Decline of the American Dream: Andres Duany, Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk, Jeff Speck: 9780865477506: Amazon.com: Books
http://www.growthandjustice.org/site...ion_Report.pdf

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1. You are totally wrong about Holland a number of its cities do just fine outside of its levee and **** systems. If you'd like I'll provide city names and GPS coordinates. Short of that most any town along the Germany border fits the bill. And more to the point all manner of bridges hold up well moving from levee protected areas to unprotected areas.
1)Nope I'm not. The northern part of The Netherlands that borders Germany is naturally protected by the Frisian barrier islands and is above sea level, therefore no need for levees.

The western part of The Netherlands(which is the actual topic of this discussion) has levees and they don't build outside of them, which is common sense. Why would you build a levee if your going to build things that will flood? The only exception to that are small beach shacks which were probably there before the levee, and boat docks. In that part of the Netherlands you have to walk up steps to go to the beach.
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:11 PM
 
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The word toll is a euphemism to get neo-cons on board for these projects. Most NTTA toll roads to nowhere would NEVER get voter support. Private-public projects pretend to be market driven but they usually are not. In the real world a business would never subsidize another new business with it's profits in order to build the new business especially when the new business will not produce enough money to pay for it's self. But, that is exactly what the NTTA does. The Chisholm Trail project is a 27 mile long toll road that will run from Ft. Worth southwards through Johnson County and will cost at least $750 million before debt service. NTTA's own forecasts have shown that tolls paid by Chisholm Trail users will be inadequate to cover the cost of the project. The tolls(tax money) will be made up by Dallas North Tollway users(me)! In other words, I and other Dallas county drivers will be overcharged, to subsidize another toll road to nowhere(Johnson county). That is not capitalism, and just another example of how Dallas always gets screwed for the "good" of the Metroplex! I'm rambling, but there are plenty of reasons for anyone to be skeptical of the NTTA, and it's deceptive practices.

Trinity Parkway was NOT progress. In fact, it would have displaced or closed businesses. I support property rights, unlike the NTTA and its zealous misinformed proponents. Also, these are taxes not tolls. Let's be realistic, the Trinity Parkway was never going to happen, because no one had the $2 billion. Highway funds are depleted, and NTTA can barely afford it's obligations, so that's why cintra is building the Lexus lanes on 635.

Furthermore, capacity does not cure congestion. I could go on and on, but the debate would never end. Here's some links:

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~mtur...r_AER_2011.pdf
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_MG748.pdf
http://www.parisschoolofeconomics.eu..._seminar3b.pdf
Driven Apart |*CEOs for Cities
Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do (and What It Says About Us): Tom Vanderbilt: 9780307264787: Amazon.com: Books
http://www.vtpi.org/cong_relief.pdf
Analysis of Metropolitan Highway Capacity and the growth in vehicle miles of travel - Springer
[0712.1598] The Price of Anarchy in Transportation Networks: Efficiency and Optimality Control
More Roads, More Traffic: Why Highway Construction Won't Solve Traffic Congestion in Washington - PolicyArchive
Suburban Nation: The Rise of Sprawl and the Decline of the American Dream: Andres Duany, Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk, Jeff Speck: 9780865477506: Amazon.com: Books
http://www.growthandjustice.org/site...ion_Report.pdf



1)Nope I'm not. The northern part of The Netherlands that borders Germany is naturally protected by the Frisian barrier islands and is above sea level, therefore no need for levees.

The western part of The Netherlands(which is the actual topic of this discussion) has levees and they don't build outside of them, which is common sense. Why would you build a levee if your going to build things that will flood? The only exception to that are small beach shacks which were probably there before the levee, and boat docks. In that part of the Netherlands you have to walk up steps to go to the beach.
Are like 15 years old?


FWiiW in one sense I agree with you. It is really stupid that DalCo and CoCo residents more or less funded the new tollway in Johnson County.


ETA - so far as the capacity does not ameliorate congestion canard - ask anyone in The Colony if traffic didn't improve drastically the day 121/Sam Rayburn opened vs. the couple of years previously when only the service roads were open. Case closed.

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