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Old 08-21-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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Lakewood is almost too good to be true (why most people or jealous or don't believe), however Stepford to me means conformist/submissive/robotic wives. I read the book and saw both movies (well, most of the second one).
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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We're looking in the "poor" area of Lakewood Elementary. 200k for a solid home that only looks to need 50-100k in renovations for us to be 100%....YES PLEASE!
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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Stepford it's not! That is what we say about Collin County.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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We're looking in the "poor" area of Lakewood Elementary. 200k for a solid home that only looks to need 50-100k in renovations for us to be 100%....YES PLEASE!
North of Mockingbird? I'm skeptical that will stay zoned Lakewood/Woodrow and not change to Hotchkiss/Conrad or Dan D Rogers. But that's priced into the homes. It's why they are cheaper.

Hollywood Heights is a better bet, but those houses are very small and few are priced at $200K.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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I would not be too concerned about that - maybe the homes east of Fisher in the college streets -- BUT, they would have to be rezoned to another elementary school nearby and they are full - see http://www.dallasisd.org/cms/lib/TX0...ll2012Elem.pdf Now if a lot of apartments in Hotchkiss or Dan D. get torn down, that could change things. Besides, Lakewood is raising money to expand the campus substantially (45,000 square feet with 37 to 42 new classrooms among other amenities): Lakewood Parents launch $15M fundraising campaign for Lakewood Elementary expansion Lakewood

As far as Long and Woodrow, they have already lost all of O.M. Roberts Elementary this year to Dade Middle and Madison High, so that should relieve the building overutilization - plus Woodrow just got a new 40,000 square foot STEM/Arts wing.

Roberts formerly held about 400 students in the old building and the new building holds 800. So there may be additional students incorporated from Mount Auburn and Lipscomb into that other feeder pattern. Dade also is a new school with a much higher capacity and Madison was at half capacity - or less.

This is somewhat controversial as it removes some of the poorest population from Long and Woodrow - and makes Dade and Madison probably half hispanic when "historically" (from the mid-1950s) they have been black.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:39 AM
 
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I would not be too concerned about that - maybe the homes east of Fisher in the college streets -- BUT, they would have to be rezoned to another elementary school nearby and they are full - see http://www.dallasisd.org/cms/lib/TX0...ll2012Elem.pdf Now if a lot of apartments in Hotchkiss or Dan D. get torn down, that could change things. Besides, Lakewood is raising money to expand the campus substantially (45,000 square feet with 37 to 42 new classrooms among other amenities): Lakewood Parents launch $15M fundraising campaign for Lakewood Elementary expansion Lakewood

As far as Long and Woodrow, they have already lost all of O.M. Roberts Elementary this year to Dade Middle and Madison High, so that should relieve the building overutilization - plus Woodrow just got a new 40,000 square foot STEM/Arts wing.

Roberts formerly held about 400 students in the old building and the new building holds 800. So there may be additional students incorporated from Mount Auburn and Lipscomb into that other feeder pattern. Dade also is a new school with a much higher capacity and Madison was at half capacity - or less.

This is somewhat controversial as it removes some of the poorest population from Long and Woodrow.
The northern line of Lakewood Elementary changes every couple of years, right now the attendance zone is the largest it's been in my lifetime. The 5 K-5 schools north of Mockingbird are over prescribed by a total of 20 seats. The 6 Woodrow feeders are over prescribed by 300 seats.

At some point in the future (I'd bet 3-5 years) the northern boundary of Lakewood (and Stonewall) will move south.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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North of Mockingbird? I'm skeptical that will stay zoned Lakewood/Woodrow and not change to Hotchkiss/Conrad or Dan D Rogers. But that's priced into the homes. It's why they are cheaper.

Hollywood Heights is a better bet, but those houses are very small and few are priced at $200K.
Yes just north of Mockingbird. We may hold out until the kids are a little older. We still have a few years until they start kinder. I love our current area, but the elementary school is just awful.

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Oh, I see a glaring error in an earlier post I made - that should be "are" not "or"!!!

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The northern line of Lakewood Elementary changes every couple of years, right now the attendance zone is the largest it's been in my lifetime. The 5 K-5 schools north of Mockingbird are over prescribed by a total of 20 seats. The 6 Woodrow feeders are over prescribed by 300 seats.

At some point in the future (I'd bet 3-5 years) the northern boundary of Lakewood (and Stonewall) will move south.
I don't think the Lakewood line has changed in 10 years or more. The last time a Stonewall boundary change was proposed on the south end with Robert E. Lee, there was hell to pay and it didn't happen. Lee is under capacity, so that could be more likely than a boundary change on the north. Also on the south end of Lakewood Elementary there is the white elephant school Mata.

BTW, Lee did very well in the new TEA ratings - met standards in all four indices with distinction in two of three categories. That was better than Stonewall, which is being penalized for having a large special ed population taking the test (Dallas regional school for the deaf - also at Long and Woodrow, but they overcame that).

There is a lot of apartment redevelopment up to Lover's Lane in the Stonewall attendance zone. Those don't seem to be the types of places where children would live, more like yuppie couples and singles (and there's a new senior development). However some do move there to get into the Stonewall district without buying a house.

You might remember that Dan D. Rodgers Elementary tried to get switched from the Franklin/Hillcrest cluster to Long/Woodrow about three years ago. They were refused. That was kind of fun for those of us who remember when North Dallas and Hillcrest types looked down on Lakewood and East Dallas.

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Old 08-22-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Lakewood was last changed in 2006. That was pushing the Mata area apartments out of the zone. The year before the university streets were added in. I'm not sure when Hillside was added in, but it was Hillcrest in the late 90's/early 2000's.

Lee has tons of room, it's the only Woodrow feeder under capacity, but the Stonewall parents don't want to go there. Lee is rapidly gaining white students, though (20%, up from virtually nothing just a few years ago). If it comes to be seen as acceptable then a boundary shift may be possible. The other alternative would be for Lee to cannibalize some of the Lipscomb zone and for Lipscomb to cross over Abrams and take the now-Lakewood neighborhood around Woodrow. That's where my grandfather lived when he went to Lipscomb during the Depression. Though doing that would take a significant chunk of the low income/minority students out of Lakewood.

All of that is possible, but the easiest thing would be to lop off the Stonewall/Lakewood neighborhoods north of the DART tracks and put them in the Conrad zone with it's hundreds of empty seats. Something is going to happen one way or another.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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This http://www.dallasisd.org/cms/lib/TX0...zationData.pdf shows Hillcrest and BA overcapacity and some of that could go to Conrad. Hillcrest could take some pressure off of White which is even more overcapacity. To me it's hard to believe that Hillcrest is over capacity...

This map shows Woodrow before the the new wing was completed and before all of O. M. Roberts Elementary was put into the Madison zone.

Then again if Vickery Meadows is ever redeveloped, Conrad's enrollment numbers would probably be decimated. After it was built hundreds of apartments were demolished in the northwest corner of its zone and the land is still vacant.
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