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Old 09-17-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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People in different stages of their life like to live in different places, and I think development should support that. So sprawl will never end.

In the past, DFW didn't support any living scenarios beyond the single family home or garden apartment. It does now. That's some good growth and learning from past mistakes. Not too many years into the future, DFW is going to have some legtimately great walkable neighborhoods, and that's a good thing.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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Very good points! A lot of times the biggest obstacles to building better neighborhoods are local governments. The notion that new urbanism is some form of heavy handed government, really aggravates me. There's definitely a demand out there for this type of development, but zoning and city ordinances prohibit it. It's usually illegal to build narrow roads, mixed use buildings, and high density walkable development. Cities should be encouraging this type of development, instead of fighting it every step of the way, especially when it's been proven over and over again, that it brings in far more revenue than the traditional sprawl they choose to subsidize.

Sprawlanta seems to have a lot of the same problems Dallas has:

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Smarter zoning is something I'd like to see more of in DFW.

We need to have a beer sometime and go over some of this. Generally speaking over time and especially after first gentrification cities and larger suburbs become more dense. That happens organically without the .gov trying to call the shots.

And for the record narrow streets are a non-starter for all kinds of reasons ranging from evacuation protocols to slow auto traffic etc. They are unfriendly to emergency vehicles and large city busses too.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Where is this idea that "Dallas is seriously lacking greenspace" coming from?
From people who don't know the city at all. That's the only viable explanation.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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And for the record narrow streets are a non-starter for all kinds of reasons ranging from evacuation protocols to slow auto traffic etc. They are unfriendly to emergency vehicles and large city busses too.
Wasn't ever a problem in Europe. Of course, their emergency vehicles are smaller than ours are (designed to fit down smaller streets), and buses were usually more narrow though not always.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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From all the places working and middle-class people who are thinking of starting families can afford to live in urban Dallas -- speaking as a guy who gave it a very serious go, and eventually left because I just couldn't stand all the noise, concrete, and pollution (let's not get started on uptown. Uptown is gorgeous, and clearly not intended for my demographic). The wealthy get plenty of green, but trash and bum-infested pocket-parks (downtown? clean? Komeht, are you kidding?) are no place you'd ever let your kids play unsupervised, unless you want to show up on CNN.
What? Downtown Dallas is as clean as any big city in North America with the exception of Vancouver and maybe Calgary.

Are you implying that you'd let your kids play in downtown St. Louis or Miami?
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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When's the last time you've been to DT Dallas? Obviously, not recently. There are tons of kids playing at the CLEAN & SAFE Klyde Warren Park, Main Street Park, Exall Park, and Belo Gardens.



Very true, and at the expense of shorter commutes(more time with family), more activities, and a better chance at building equity.

As a long time DFW Resident I've noticed a cycle:

(1) Developers start building in a rural area, it usually starts off as nice custom, homes, then starts to fade into massive tract developments. People rush in to all that's new and shiny.

(2) Retail follows all the new rooftops.

(3) The people have kids, and the kids go off to college.

(4) The kids don't come back to the now decades OLD neighborhoods, instead they move to an urban area or a newer and shinier exurb.

(5) The older wealthier residents move close to kids in exurbs or down size to urban area, or stay put.

(6) The once shiny stores and strip malls move to follow the money or just close, suburban blight starts ramping up.

(7) Property values stagnate or plummet, and once nice homes become rental units. Schools deteriorate.

(8) Eventually structure values drop low enough for developers to tear down existing homes and replace them with bigger new ones. Retail follows

(9) Step 8 will never happen in many far out suburbs

Lots of Dallas neighborhoods have seen one full cycle. I fear that most of the sprawl in Dallas will never make it past step 6, and deteriorate.

Most of that has happened to the suburb where I spent my teen years in Houston. The area was built from the 60s to the 80s and filled in much more in the 90s. Now there's nothing desireable about the area and the only people who live here are older families, seniors, and young people like me who got stuck. The strip malls are getting more payday loan places, smoke shops, etc. Strip mall sprawl is a terrible thing.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Wasn't ever a problem in Europe. Of course, their emergency vehicles are smaller than ours are (designed to fit down smaller streets), and buses were usually more narrow though not always.
So you think it makes sense long term for DART to buy more narrow busses and for DFD, PFD, RFD etc, to buy smaller fire trucks for these places?
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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When's the last time you've been to DT Dallas? Obviously, not recently. There are tons of kids playing at the CLEAN & SAFE Klyde Warren Park, Main Street Park, Exall Park, and Belo Gardens.
You're making my argument for me, RonnieinDallas. Let's take Klyde Warren Park. Good example -- that is an AWESOME little park. Now show me where it's economically rational for a guy making an average salary (~45k/yr) and starting a family to live within walking distance of it.

Belo Gardens? Great! What's rent like on Commerce & Main like lately? Exall Park? Great park for all the doctors in the bubble neighborhood off San Jacinto where I used to live... but these aren't places that middle-class people live. I'm not talking the "let's fly out to the exurbs for nicer schools" upper-middle-class strivers. Given a choice between a studio or one-bedroom rental for 900 a month, or an affordable home in an inner-ring suburb or adjacent town like Irving/Arlington/Grand Prairie/Richardson/Plano, most folks will say "yeah, I'll suck it up on the commute and try to get a place not to far from where I work."
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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We need to have a beer sometime and go over some of this. Generally speaking over time and especially after first gentrification cities and larger suburbs become more dense. That happens organically without the .gov trying to call the shots.

And for the record narrow streets are a non-starter for all kinds of reasons ranging from evacuation protocols to slow auto traffic etc. They are unfriendly to emergency vehicles and large city busses too.

That can't happen in the typical curvy street suburban sprawl. The whimsical street designs won't support much density unless they're restructured
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Irving, TX
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What? Downtown Dallas is as clean as any big city in North America with the exception of Vancouver and maybe Calgary.

Are you implying that you'd let your kids play in downtown St. Louis or Miami?
Hell no, and you've taken what I wrote completely out of context.
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