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Old 09-15-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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PISD did better than competitors but lower than their own standards. TAMS did great, they have advantage of having their pick of top students like magnets, charters and privates. PISD has to take every one in and so does other districts. Weathier districts like HP, Carroll, Prosper, Lovejoy, Frisco, Allen did very poor given their demographics. Flower mound did a good job. Magnet schools performed poorly as well. Lewsville did really well.

Heartiest congratulations to PISD for keeping their edge when others couldn't. You rock!!!


2014 National Merit Semifinalists ranked by number of semifinalists per high school.

# of Semifinalists - High School (District/charter/private)

66 - Texas Academy Math/Science "TAMS" (residential public)
39 - Flower Mound (Lewisville)
35 - Plano Sr. (Plano)

26 - Plano West (Plano)
22 - Hockaday (private-girls)
20 - Coppell (Coppell)

19 - St. Mark's School of Texas (private-boys)
17 - Plano East (Plano)
14 - Marcus (Lewisville)

13 - Greenhill (private)
13 - Hebron (Lewisville)
13 - Rockwall (Rockwall)
13 - Southlake Carroll (Carroll)

9 - Cistercian (private-boys)
9 - Rockwall-Heath (Rockwall)
9 - Trinity Valley (private)

8 - Allen (Allen)
8 - Highland Park High (Highland Park)
8 - Talented/Gifted magnet (Dallas)

7 - Colleyville Heritage (Grapevine-Colleyville)
6 - Episcopal School of Dallas (private)
6 - Trinity (HEB)
6 - Homeschoolers

5 - FW Country Day (private)
5 - Keller High (Keller)
5 - Paschal (Fort Worth)
5 - The Colony (Lewisville)
5 - Ursuline Academy of Dallas (private-girls)

4 - Boyd (McKinney)
4 - Central (Keller)
4 - Jesuit (private)
4 - JJ Pearce (Richardson)
4 - Lake Highlands (Richardson)
4 - Liberty (Frisco)
4 - Martin (Arlington)
4 - McKinney High (McKinney)
4 - Nolan Catholic (private)

3 - Aledo High (Aledo)
3 - Creekview (Carrollton-Farmers Branch)
3 - Garland High (Garland)
3 - LD Bell (HEB)
3 - Haltom (Birdville)
3 - Lakehill Prep (private)
3 - Lovejoy High (Lovejoy)
3 - Northhills Prep (charter)
3 - Parish Episcopal (private)
3 - Southwest Christian School (private)

2 - Bishop Lynch (private)
2 - Coram Deo (private)
2 - Fossil Ridge (Keller)
2 - Frisco High (Frisco)
2 - Lucas Christian Academy (private)
2 - Newman Smith (Carrollton-Farmers Branch)
2 - Prestonwood Christian Academy (private)
2 - RL Turner (Carrollton-Farmers Branch)
2 - Science/Engineering magnet (Dallas)
2 - Summit (Mansfield)
2 - Weatherford High (Weatherford)

1 - Bethesda Christian School (private)
1 - Booker T. performing/visual arts magnet (Dallas)
1 - Brighter Horizons Garland (private)
1 - Byron Nelson (Northwest)
1 - Cambridge School (private)
1 - Centennial (Burleson)
1 - Centennial (Frisco)

1 - Christian Life Prep (private)
1 - Covenant Christian Academy (private)
1 - Dallas International School (private)
1 - Denton High (Denton)
1 - Dubiski Career High (Grand Prairie)
1 - Duncanville High (Duncanville)
1 - First Baptist Academy (private)

1 - FW Academy of Fine Arts (charter)
1 - FW Christian School (private)
1 - Grapevine (Grapevine-Colleyville)
1 - Harmony Science Euless (charter)
1 - Horn (Mesquite)
1 - The Highlands School (private)
1 - John Paul II High (private)

1 - Kennedale (Kennedale)
1 - Lamar (Arlington)
1 - Lewisville High (Lewisville)
1 - Little Elm High (Little Elm)
1 - McKinney North (McKinney)
1 - Oakridge School (private)
1 - Red Oak High (Red Oak)

1 - Richardson High (Richardson)
1 - Rowlett (Garland)
1 - Timber Creek (Keller)
1 - Trinity Christian Academy-Addison (private)
1 - Wakeland (Frisco)
1 - Wylie Prep Academy (private)

Sources: Fort Worth Star Telegram, Dallas Morning News, school websites

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Old 09-15-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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Just curious, Gripewater, but on what basis are you saying that HPISD and Carroll did poor based on demographics? What do you consider a decent percentage of NMSF? You listed one school district, Flower Mound, that you think did well? Which other ones do you think did great and which ones did you think did poorly? Finally, what about DISD?
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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You have the demographics, enrollment and scores as well so please do the math and enlighten me. I guess if we wait an hour then someone else may give us this favor. We have posters who play with data for a living.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Looks as if I've been paged.

My random thoughts:

1) A shout-out to HockDad for his school even beating St. Mark's. Very good showing for Hockaday.
2) Flower Mound isn't a school district.
3) Hebron is rapidly becoming a contender in the high-end public schools. Good news for Castle Hills and the Denton County portion of Plano.
4) Off year for PISD - but last year was an uncommonly good year. Add 'em together and they match the long-term average. Plano Senior beats out Plano West this year, both on absolute numbers and on a percentage basis. What what?
5) Coppell delivers as it does every year. It deserves more respect than it gets.
6) Did someone in Rockwall ISD have the answer key??? Those campuses came out of nowhere.
7) Dallas ISD - smh. Not a single NMSF from any of the comprehensive schools.
8) Frisco ISD - seriously? And half of those 8 NMSF kids (the Frisco Liberty ones) probably live in far north Plano, not Frisco. I've always said I'd send my kid to Allen before Frisco. Now, I'd also send him to McKinney before Frisco. That new Karen Dillard location up there might be their only hope.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Looks as if I've been paged.

My random thoughts:

1) A shout-out to HockDad for his school even beating St. Mark's. Very good showing for Hockaday.
2) Flower Mound isn't a school district.
3) Hebron is rapidly becoming a contender in the high-end public schools. Good news for Castle Hills and the Denton County portion of Plano.
4) Off year for PISD - but last year was an uncommonly good year. Add 'em together and they match the long-term average. Plano Senior beats out Plano West this year, both on absolute numbers and on a percentage basis. What what?
5) Coppell delivers as it does every year. It deserves more respect than it gets.
6) Did someone in Rockwall ISD have the answer key??? Those campuses came out of nowhere.
7) Dallas ISD - smh. Not a single NMSF from any of the comprehensive schools.
8) Frisco ISD - seriously? And half of those 8 NMSF kids (the Frisco Liberty ones) probably live in far north Plano, not Frisco. I've always said I'd send my kid to Allen before Frisco. Now, I'd also send him to McKinney before Frisco. That new Karen Dillard location up there might be their only hope.
1) This is the second year in a row Hockaday beat St. Marks, but I think Hockaday has about 10-20 more students than St. Marks, so on a percentage basis, St. Marks is probably champs. Nonetheless, for a second year in a row St. Marks and Hockaday had almost 20% of the class as NMSF. The rest of the privates lined up as expected. Cistercian is real small, but those monks drill those kids well . Greenhill is just a notch below the top, but nothing wrong with their numbers. Jesuit and UA remain the best deals in town. Parish continues improving, but is a step below ESD.

2) Thanks. Moving too fast.

6) Very disappointing numbers. I heard on the radio that DISD has 160k students. I assume that approximately 10k are seniors. I know the demographics stink, but I can't imagine how it could get much worse by this one objective measure.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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Just curious. What made Flower Mound so outstanding comparing to other schools with the similar demographics?
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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how big is the TAMS class
What PISDStudent said. TAMS lets in 200 kids each year. I'd guess 10-20% bail on it before graduation or get booted for dorm-related stuff.

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Overall results would be similar as all those kids didn't evaporate, they are at PWSH. PSHS will have lower percentage of NMSF. With three exclusive academies, things will be distributed more evenly between six schools.
I get that it's a zero-sum game. IMO, things will be wildly UNEVENLY distributed. Let's suppose that, under the old boundaries, the NMSF numbers were 40-40-20 for PWSH/PSHS/PESH. Under the new setup, the numbers will look more like 60/20/20.

You might think that is bad for PSHS, but good for PWSH. I'd argue that it is bad for both campuses, and for the whole district.

1) Obviously, taking away half of their NMSF kids is going to cause a big hit to the reputation of PSHS. But PWSH is already a "hot" school. It isn't going to become significantly MORE appealing to admissions counselors. That's a net loss for the district.

2) Is adding a bunch of additional NMSFs to PWSH a good thing? I'd argue "no". In the old regime, those extra kids would be club presidents, first chairs, etc. at PSHS. Now, they have to go into the lion's den and fight for a fixed number of leadership roles and top-20 or top-50 ranks at PWSH. This was the main talking point for the "Save Plano West" movement back in 2011.

3) Jamming PWSH to the gills has the side effect of making the school closed to transfers. As a practical matter, that's understandable. but it looks really bad. Why? You have one high school that will be far and away the highest-performing of the three. It is also far and away the richest of the three. In effect, you've created a closed "best school" for the richest part of your district. Working-class folks need not apply.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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[quote=HockDad;314234126) Very disappointing numbers. I heard on the radio that DISD has 160k students. I assume that approximately 10k are seniors. I know the demographics stink, but I can't imagine how it could get much worse by this one objective measure.[/QUOTE]

You love to rag on DISD, but what do you expect when almost all the wealthy Dallas parents put their kids in privates or magnets? Fort Worth did almost as bad, only 5 kids out of the whole district, and they all came from a wealthy pocket, and the same school. Arlington also did not do well on the list, no surprise.
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Just curious, Gripewater, but on what basis are you saying that HPISD and Carroll did poor based on demographics? What do you consider a decent percentage of NMSF? You listed one school district, Flower Mound, that you think did well? Which other ones do you think did great and which ones did you think did poorly? Finally, what about DISD?
+1. Senior class populations range from 60-1,600ish among all the schools listed above. It's impossible to tell which schools did the best (except for the obvious ones like TAMS, Hockaday, St Mark's) without the key "% of class" metric.

Anyone want to dig up the senior class #'s today?
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Old 09-15-2013, 04:27 PM
 
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And another year goes by with a big "goose egg" for Lakewooder's DISD Woodrow Wilson HS. When are we supposed to see the school results improve based on the new, allegedly competitive IB program?!
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