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Old 09-15-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by RonnieinDallas View Post
You love to rag on DISD, but what do you expect when almost all the wealthy Dallas parents put their kids in privates or magnets? Fort Worth did almost as bad, only 5 kids out of the whole district, and they all came from a wealthy pocket, and the same school. Arlington also did not do well on the list, no surprise.
I am very critical of DISD, but at the same time, I also root for its success. Consider me the parent that sees potential, but is a hard critic because their kids are doing so poorly. Please keep in mind that I live in DISD and its improvement would only increase my property values, sense of community, etc. I am sickened by the issues going on with Miles right now, but not surprised since they have had numerous recent issues with leaders. I am further sickened that Miles moved his kids out of the school and back to Colorado. What kind of message does that send? If you work for Dallas Fire Department, you have to reside in the neighborhood of the fire house, but if you are the leader of the school district, your kids live in another state.


As for FWISD, their numbers are poor as well. Yet, their private schools don't do quite as well. That is a topic for another day though.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It's not perfect, but...

Public schools only, using 2011 class size (most recent available) from TEA database of AEIS reports as a proxy for 2014 class size. (Growing schools will therefore have overstated percentages.)

Private school fanboys are welcome to add in their own enrollment figures and percentages - I gave up tracking down the school profiles about 2 schools into the task.



13.8% 58 8 - Talented/Gifted (Dallas)

5.0% 777 39 - Flower Mound (Lewisville)

3.3% 613 20 - Coppell (Coppell)

2.9% 450 13 - Rockwall (Rockwall)
2.7% 960 26 - Plano West (Plano)
2.7% 1304 35 - Plano Sr. (Plano)
2.3% 565 13 - Southlake Carroll (Carroll)
2.1% 419 9 - Rockwall-Heath (Rockwall)
2.0% 638 13 - Hebron (Lewisville)
2.0% 702 14 - Marcus (Lewisville)

1.6% 508 8 - Highland Park High (Highland Park)
1.3% 527 7 - Colleyville Heritage (Grapevine-Colleyville)
1.3% 229 3 - Lovejoy High (Lovejoy)
1.3% 1313 17 - Plano East (Plano)
1.1% 475 5 - The Colony (Lewisville)
1.0% 482 5 - Paschal (Fort Worth)
1.0% 402 4 - McKinney High (McKinney)
1.0% 412 4 - Lake Highlands (Richardson)

0.9% 448 4 - JJ Pearce (Richardson)
0.9% 683 6 - Trinity (HEB)
0.8% 495 4 - Liberty (Frisco)
0.8% 372 3 - Aledo High (Aledo)
0.7% 697 5 - Keller High (Keller)
0.7% 1218 8 - Allen (Allen)
0.7% 460 3 - Creekview (Carrollton-Farmers Branch)
0.6% 651 4 - Boyd (McKinney)
0.6% 690 4 - Central (Keller)
0.5% 564 3 - Haltom (Birdville)
0.5% 600 3 - Garland High (Garland)
0.5% 802 4 - Martin (Arlington)
0.5% 641 3 - LD Bell (HEB)
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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These are the 2013 %of class. Looks like only Coppell, Southlake Carroll, Hebron, and Rockwall ISD saw a gain in % to LY.

17.9% Dallas ISD TAG
4.8% Plano West
3.2% Plano Senior
3.1% Coppell
2.5% Plano East
2.5% Highland Park
2.1% FM Marcus (LISD)
2.0% Southlake Carroll
2.0% Frisco Liberty
1.6% Hebron (LISD)
1.5% Pearce (RISD)
1.4% Lovejoy
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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These are the 2013 %of class. Looks like only Coppell, Southlake Carroll, Hebron, and Rockwall ISD saw a gain in % to LY.

17.9% Dallas ISD TAG
4.8% Plano West
3.2% Plano Senior
3.1% Coppell
2.5% Plano East
2.5% Highland Park
2.1% FM Marcus (LISD)
2.0% Southlake Carroll
2.0% Frisco Liberty
1.6% Hebron (LISD)
1.5% Pearce (RISD)
1.4% Lovejoy
So DISD's TAG stomped everyone? Good for them. It still amazes me how people can paint DISD with such a broad brush. Wonder where SEM, White, Woodrow, and Hillcrest are, though.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Um, apples and oranges. Those other schools serve all students -not the top 1-2% of the district. if Plano set up a TAG school and let in the top 58 kids based on test scores, they'd have a 100% ratio.

The entire DISD produced 11 NMSF kids -all from magnets. Given the huge size disparity between them and the other districts - that's not stomping, that's getting stomped.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Um, if Plano set up a TAG school and let in the top 58 kids based on test scores, they'd have a 100% ratio.

The entire DISD produced 11 NMSF kids -all from magnets. Given the huge size disparity between them and the other districts - that's not stomping, that's getting stomped.
The list was by school, not by district, although in some cases it is one in the same. TAG had a better percentage than HP, Plano E & W, etc. Move to DISD with a bright kid, get him into TAG, and he'll be in great company even though he's in big bad DISD.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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What PISDStudent said. TAMS lets in 200 kids each year. I'd guess 10-20% bail on it before graduation or get booted for dorm-related stuff.



I get that it's a zero-sum game. IMO, things will be wildly UNEVENLY distributed. Let's suppose that, under the old boundaries, the NMSF numbers were 40-40-20 for PWSH/PSHS/PESH. Under the new setup, the numbers will look more like 60/20/20.

You might think that is bad for PSHS, but good for PWSH. I'd argue that it is bad for both campuses, and for the whole district.

1) Obviously, taking away half of their NMSF kids is going to cause a big hit to the reputation of PSHS. But PWSH is already a "hot" school. It isn't going to become significantly MORE appealing to admissions counselors. That's a net loss for the district.

2) Is adding a bunch of additional NMSFs to PWSH a good thing? I'd argue "no". In the old regime, those extra kids would be club presidents, first chairs, etc. at PSHS. Now, they have to go into the lion's den and fight for a fixed number of leadership roles and top-20 or top-50 ranks at PWSH. This was the main talking point for the "Save Plano West" movement back in 2011.

3) Jamming PWSH to the gills has the side effect of making the school closed to transfers. As a practical matter, that's understandable. but it looks really bad. Why? You have one high school that will be far and away the highest-performing of the three. It is also far and away the richest of the three. In effect, you've created a closed "best school" for the richest part of your district. Working-class folks need not apply.
Not necessarily. With IB and Health Academies under it's umbrella, PESH will rise. Of course West will be a power house but PSHS area has great potential being popular mong Asian/South Asian community. STEAM will be a powerful player as well.
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It really helps to see percentages in these numbers. I think it's interesting that little tiny Lakehill (16 or 17 kids) had three nmf. Not a bad percentage....
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Old 09-15-2013, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The list was by school, not by district, although in some cases it is one in the same. TAG had a better percentage than HP, Plano E & W, etc. Move to DISD with a bright kid, get him into TAG, and he'll be in great company even though he's in big bad DISD.
I agree with this, and I would take it a step further. You could take the smart kids up in Plano West and move them down to a North Dallas High School like, WT White, or Hillcrest. They'd still do well at either school. I think these school rankings have more to do with economics, and parental evolvement than anything. I would not have worked as hard at school, or graduated college in four years if it weren't for my family pushing me. Kids need that, and the parents up there do it.

People are scared to send their smart kids to DISD because of test scores. Those will never improve because the very best students will ever enroll there. It's a catch 22

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It really helps to see percentages in these numbers. I think it's interesting that little tiny Lakehill (16 or 17 kids) had three nmf. Not a bad percentage....
Yeah and Lakehill gets ripped on here. I actually have a distant cousin that sends his elementary aged kids there, and they are doing very well.

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Old 09-15-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Um, apples and oranges. Those other schools serve all students -not the top 1-2% of the district. if Plano set up a TAG school and let in the top 58 kids based on test scores, they'd have a 100% ratio.

The entire DISD produced 11 NMSF kids -all from magnets. Given the huge size disparity between them and the other districts - that's not stomping, that's getting stomped.
It's not a huge disparity when you compare apples to apples.

11 in Dallas is a lot better than Fort Worth's 5. Plus, Lake Highlands is essentially a Dallas school. I bet the 4 NMSF kids live in Dallas.
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