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Old 09-15-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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So DISD's TAG stomped everyone? Good for them. It still amazes me how people can paint DISD with such a broad brush. Wonder where SEM, White, Woodrow, and Hillcrest are, though.
No, I posted the 2013 % of class. TAG still did well in 2014 with 13% of class, but not as well as LY. They should be doing well - and comparable to St Mark's/ Hockaday %'s - since TAG can handpick it's students.

As for the other DISD schools, looks like this year was an exceptionally poor showing for NMSF. Lots of 0's....
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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Kudos to Trinity HS in HEB--
that score might not count as "great" in other people's books...but it is better than last year's I believe and better than many in supposedly better districts
the 3 at Bell make 9 for HEBISD--
considering the demographics I think it speaks highly of the district...
Trinity had more than Paschall which used to be the powerhouse in Tarrant county's public schools...
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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The list was by school, not by district, although in some cases it is one in the same. TAG had a better percentage than HP, Plano E & W, etc. Move to DISD with a bright kid, get him into TAG, and he'll be in great company even though he's in big bad DISD.
I don't think you get the point that is being made: The equivalent of HP / Plano / Coppell in DISD are the neighborhood high schools like White & Woodrow. Those schools have to take everyone within their enrollment borders.

TAG is an application based program and considering the school can handpick its - what, 150 ? - seniors out of a district total of around 15,000 seniors, it's results should be compared with other selective schools like TAMS, Hockaday, St Mark's, Greenhill, etc. Not HP and Plano ISD's.

Compared to other selective admissions schools, TAG lags behind TAMS/ Hockaday / St Mark's, is doing about the same as Greenhill, and is ahead of everyone else. Very commendable. But only speaks well of .1% of DISD....the other 99.9% pretty much stinks with regards to NMSF.
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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Looks as if I've been paged.

5) Coppell delivers as it does every year. It deserves more respect than it gets.
....and Flower Mound High School deserves a lot more respect here than Plano and Coppell High Schools. This year they beat all the Plano High Schools. Coppell has historically been way behind Flower Mound.
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Old 09-15-2013, 10:54 PM
 
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Congratulations to ALL of the NMSFs in the area. Best of luck for your future.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:00 PM
 
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I don't think you get the point that is being made: The equivalent of HP / Plano / Coppell in DISD are the neighborhood high schools like White & Woodrow. Those schools have to take everyone within their enrollment borders.

TAG is an application based program and considering the school can handpick its - what, 150 ? - seniors out of a district total of around 15,000 seniors, it's results should be compared with other selective schools like TAMS, Hockaday, St Mark's, Greenhill, etc. Not HP and Plano ISD's.

Compared to other selective admissions schools, TAG lags behind TAMS/ Hockaday / St Mark's, is doing about the same as Greenhill, and is ahead of everyone else. Very commendable. But only speaks well of .1% of DISD....the other 99.9% pretty much stinks with regards to NMSF.
The HP population is almost entirely white, affluent, and college-educated who can afford the home prices. The equivalent of HP is not White and Woodrow, it is Hockaday and St. Mark's (actually, it's probably even more white, college-educated, and affluent than private schools that have scholarship programs to attract diverse applicants). I would expect HP's numbers to be far more equivalent to prestigious privates than to be trailing Rockwall (??).

TAG is disproportionately white and affluent compared to DISD as a whole, I think it's about 40 percent white, but it still has significantly more minority and free and reduced lunch than, say, Coppell and HP, never mind Hockaday and Greenhill. Given its metrics, it posts VERY strong results.

The rest of DISD? Sure, most of it stinks. Find me a large urban district that does not.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:23 AM
 
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The HP population is almost entirely white, affluent, and college-educated who can afford the home prices. The equivalent of HP is not White and Woodrow, it is Hockaday and St. Mark's (actually, it's probably even more white, college-educated, and affluent than private schools that have scholarship programs to attract diverse applicants). I would expect HP's numbers to be far more equivalent to prestigious privates than to be trailing Rockwall (??).

TAG is disproportionately white and affluent compared to DISD as a whole, I think it's about 40 percent white, but it still has significantly more minority and free and reduced lunch than, say, Coppell and HP, never mind Hockaday and Greenhill. Given its metrics, it posts VERY strong results.

The rest of DISD? Sure, most of it stinks. Find me a large urban district that does not.
HP is NOT equivalent to Hockaday & St Mark's; that is nuts! In fact, many of the smartest, wealthiest kids in HP are enrolled in Hockaday & St Mark's (20% of the district population goes private), not HPISD.

(Bangs head against wall)......I guess you do not understand the differnce between open enrollment neighborhood schools and application based schools.....
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:28 AM
 
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The HP population is almost entirely white, affluent, and college-educated who can afford the home prices. The equivalent of HP is not White and Woodrow, it is Hockaday and St. Mark's (actually, it's probably even more white, college-educated, and affluent than private schools that have scholarship programs to attract diverse applicants). I would expect HP's numbers to be far more equivalent to prestigious privates than to be trailing Rockwall (??).

TAG is disproportionately white and affluent compared to DISD as a whole, I think it's about 40 percent white, but it still has significantly more minority and free and reduced lunch than, say, Coppell and HP, never mind Hockaday and Greenhill. Given its metrics, it posts VERY strong results.

The rest of DISD? Sure, most of it stinks. Find me a large urban district that does not.
Also, when it comes to NMSF, being white isn't the winning racial attribute. The Asian students have driven the NMSF % up for years across the country. Hence, why Plano ISD's NMSF % is always at the top. Even at HP, usually 30-50%+ of the NMSF come from the district's Asian students. Haven't seen the list & pictures of this year's 8, but imagine the trend continues.

Being white, college- educated and wealthy gives student a big leg up academically; it just doesn't translate to NMSF as much as being Asian and wicked smart does.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:44 AM
 
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HP is NOT equivalent to Hockaday & St Mark's; that is nuts! In fact, many of the smartest, wealthiest kids in HP are enrolled in Hockaday & St Mark's (20% of the district population goes private), not HPISD.

(Bangs head against wall)......I guess you do not understand the differnce between open enrollment neighborhood schools and application based schools.....
Oh, of course I understand the difference. The point is, TAG is a lot poorer and browner than Hockaday and St. Marks and HP -- never mind lacking the multimillion-dollar facilities, the rolling green hills, etc. -- and yet it's still putting up close to or better numbers?? Yes, HP is an open enrollment school neighborhood school, but that designation loses much of its "bring me all your huddled masses" connotation when it takes $1mil to buy a cottage. With all those advantages you'd sure think those kids would be kicking it, wouldn't you?
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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The HP population is almost entirely white, affluent, and college-educated who can afford the home prices. The equivalent of HP is not White and Woodrow, it is Hockaday and St. Mark's (actually, it's probably even more white, college-educated, and affluent than private schools that have scholarship programs to attract diverse applicants). I would expect HP's numbers to be far more equivalent to prestigious privates than to be trailing Rockwall (??).

TAG is disproportionately white and affluent compared to DISD as a whole, I think it's about 40 percent white, but it still has significantly more minority and free and reduced lunch than, say, Coppell and HP, never mind Hockaday and Greenhill. Given its metrics, it posts VERY strong results.

The rest of DISD? Sure, most of it stinks. Find me a large urban district that does not.
Houston ISD had 60.
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