The Cherry Pit "Swingers" Club (Hamilton: rent, college)

[txman]

These "moral" people that think these swingers are deviants and sexual predators: I'm sure there's a neighbor or someone close to you that has a sexual practice that you probably would think was disgusting or weird, yet because you don't know what they do in their bedroom..with another consenting adult...you still hold them in high regard, and would never think of them as a possible sexual predator or pedophile. As long as you don't know what someone does in their bedroom you have no problem with them and as soon as you do know (or think you do) the judgment begans.

It's not different than when some people find out a coworker, friend, or neighbor that the were fond of before is gay. That person was great yesterday, and then as soon as it's known that they're homosexual, they become a horrible person. That just shows what the person does in his/her bedroom doesn't affect you at all, as long as you don't know about it.

My dad always said "It's not what you know about people that makes you love, admire and respect them, it's what you don't know." Ignorance is bliss.

[Lakewooder]

I have always been sort of a goody-two shoes, but I don't care what people are doing as long as they don't bother me and are good neighbors. But personally it sounds as if there are just too many people going to that place. The noise and traffic would be very irritating for me.

[hamiltonpl]

Even subtracting the sexual element from this story, the neighbors should complain. This is important because of zoning issues. For example, a psychiatrist was running her office out of her house on my street. Neighbors complained about the traffic, and the psychiatrist was ordered to stop because the street is zoned strictly residential. You can't run a service oriented business out of your house on a residential street without a zoning change. Similarly, because the swinger's club is on a residential street, the residential neighbors should not be forced to tolerate a commercial enterprise. The swinger's club moved into a residential neighborhood. Not the other way around. The club knew what it was getting into. I wouldn't want the Lion's Club moving next door either. And yes, even if it was a "Tupperware party" held on regular evenings the residents would have an equal right to complain. Commercial streets get more traffic. The swingers club brought in the traffic of a commercial street. I chose to live on a quiet, non commercial street. What makes it quiet? The lack of traffic. That's what makes a residential street different. Neighbors should protect the integrity of their neighborhood. We have zoning for a reason.

The sexual aspect of this story makes it newsworthy, and it also intensifies the issue. Sexually oriented businesses will always have a certain taint to them. Do you want a strip club moving in next door? People would not be naked outside. There would not be "Debbie Does Dallas" outside of a strip club either. But it sure would effect property values. How about a "massage parlor" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)? What about a porn studio? Sexually oriented organizations are a particular nuisance because it makes most people very uncomfortable. They always bring down property values. How many strip clubs are in Highland Park or Preston Hollow? Keeping my property value high is very important to me. Those values only stay high if the neighbors are vigilant in keeping the neighborhood attractive to the widest array of people. Sexually oriented businesses make many people uncomfortable. This will certainly lower the value of the home.

So if we take the "sex" out of this article, I still think the neighbors have a right to complain. However, the "sex" component certainly makes this more of a nuisance in most people's eyes. It will lower property values because it makes many people uncomfortable. If your neighbors don't care about keeping your neighborhood attractive, you don't have very good neighbors.

Making this about "consenting adults" misses the point. If my neighbors do kinky stuff, I don't want to know, nor do I care. It's all the people that they invite over that are the problem. The neighbors aren't the issue. It's all the midgets and donkeys that get the invitations that are the problem.

[stargazer]

I 100% agree Hamilton. This is what I was trying to convey. That area inparticular is a quite area any other day of the week. The neighbors have been complaining and finally something is being done. As I said, I would see several cars parked out there sometimes and the music booming. Some in front of their neighbors homes. I can remember there being at least 50 cars parked by the side of the road and to the side of the Boy Scout camp which borders Cedar Ridge. I saw the pictures on cbs one day and saw they had beds set up right in front of the door. So it is out in the open and if the door is open, people can see inside.
I think it is very interesting that people don't think that pedophiles could frequent this. I didn't say there were, but they could. Many pedophiles in life aren't going to just like kids, they are deviant with others.... Ever see, I Know My Name is Steven?
This is sexual deviant behavior and with it, it does attract people who have all sorts of cravings and desires .
Here is food for thought. Scripture

2 Peter 2:14
14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!

[KantLockeMeIn]

Pedophiles can frequent Kroger... quick let's shut down Kroger!

You people are hilarious.

If someone is creating a disturbance due to noise or parking, that's one thing. What they are doing inside the privacy of their home is no concern of yours.

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own. " Thomas Jefferson

[txman]

Originally Posted by stargazer

I I think it is very interesting that people don't think that pedophiles could frequent this. I didn't say there were, but they could. Many pedophiles in life aren't going to just like kids, they are deviant with others.... Ever see, I Know My Name is Steven?
This is sexual deviant behavior and with it, it does attract people who have all sorts of cravings and desires .

Pedophiles also (and more often) are found at churches, schools, summer camps, youth sporting events (sometimes as coaches), walmart bathrooms, daycares and yearly family thanksgiving dinners. It seems I hear about pedopiles much more often frequenting these places than a private orgy of consenting adults.

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by stargazer

I 100% agree Hamilton. This is what I was trying to convey. That area inparticular is a quite area any other day of the week. The neighbors have been complaining and finally something is being done. As I said, I would see several cars parked out there sometimes and the music booming. Some in front of their neighbors homes. I can remember there being at least 50 cars parked by the side of the road and to the side of the Boy Scout camp which borders Cedar Ridge. I saw the pictures on cbs one day and saw they had beds set up right in front of the door. So it is out in the open and if the door is open, people can see inside.
I think it is very interesting that people don't think that pedophiles could frequent this. I didn't say there were, but they could. Many pedophiles in life aren't going to just like kids, they are deviant with others.... Ever see, I Know My Name is Steven?
This is sexual deviant behavior and with it, it does attract people who have all sorts of cravings and desires .
Here is food for thought. Scripture

2 Peter 2:14
14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!

I 100% agree with hamilton too....and amen!

[lh_newbie]

I've been patiently reading everyone's posts. Quite humorous.

I personally disagree with the concept of a swingers club and would certainly never go to one myself. The concept is against my personal beliefs and against what I believe to be moral standards based on my upbringing and religious background.

With that said, some people are right, if someone gets into being a swinger - so be it. They can do what they want under their own roof as long as it doesn't infringe on other people. If they were doing this in their front yard and having public nudity or parking illegally or being loud or in fact, running a business or regular club, then the neighbors and the city have a legal right to shut down such practices. Hamilton hits the nail on the head - they in fact are operating a regular "club", which is essentially a business driving traffic and parking issues and therefore should indeed be shut down as they are in a residential zone.

I've seen on the news that church groups have taken pictures of people going into strip clubs in areas and posting them on the Internet, letting people know who exactly goes there. It would be very interesting to see the same practice applied to this "club".

Brian

[stargazer]

I stated it can attract unstable people.... This is my concern plus all the parking nightmares there and noise level... if they want to have orgies, why not go over to a district deemed for that and let them do what they want. They need to get a warehouse and let their club be t here. Sure pedophiles and sexual predotors can be anywhere , yes you are correct... I happen to be the mother of 2 children and am thinking of their safety. When I lived there, I would not allow my child out alone and I am still am like that. I use to live behind a ***** house when I was a teen and finally when they busted them, all the crap stopped. Our back yard backed up to it. We knew what was going on and I could not go in the back yard
sometimes because of what I could hear. The ***** house though stopped as soon as it begun though. Maybe a month or so.... I can only imagine what the neighbors there next to them must have had to put up with.

[galore]

Um, I don't think anyone is saying that this is an appropriate place for The Cherry Pit. A business simply doesn't belong in a residential zone for a myriad of reasons (the sexual aspect of The Pit isn't the only one by far). That's why we have zoning in the first place.