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Old 11-20-2007, 11:09 PM
 
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A well-managed community requires sacrifice. Typically, when we
consider how a successful community is able to function as well as it
does, we take into account the contributions of sports players,
business leaders, religious figures, or high-profile politicians.

Frequently, we forget there is a flip-side to the city: ditch
diggers, drug rehab counselors, fast food employees, or garbagemen.
All of these employees build our city up as well, and they are paid
barely enough to survive on.

Does this gap make sense? Can it be explained away as a simple case
of supply and demand, or does it touch upon an issue we would rather
avoid: social class in American society.

If we believe the doctrine of the American Dream, then we live in a
classless society. But why have Dallas garbagemen only been making
minimum wage (read further here: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...est_being.html)
for working a lot harder than many high-profile politicians?

Are gaps created by social class an unavoidable fact of life, or can
American society be modified to reduce these gaps?

 
Old 11-20-2007, 11:55 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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It's explained by the fact that if they quit, people will gladly work in their place at the same wage.

There are plenty of jobs that are either unskilled or will teach you the skills necessary that pay more than minimum wage. Electricians or plumber's helpers, truck drivers, working at UPS unloading trucks, etc.

Either case this seems to be off topic for the forum.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 01:22 AM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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It makes you wonder why police, fireman, and other ESSENTIAL civic employes make squat, yet football, baseball and other sports figures are raking in millions. Thats what makes me sick!
 
Old 11-21-2007, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas TX & AL Gulf Coast
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Originally Posted by JVTX72 View Post
It makes you wonder why police, fireman, and other ESSENTIAL civic employes make squat, yet football, baseball and other sports figures are raking in millions. Thats what makes me sick!
And, TEACHERS !!!

To whom we entrust our children to... and expect the most from!

They deserve so much more!

Last edited by BstYet2Be; 11-21-2007 at 04:08 AM..
 
Old 11-21-2007, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Fondren SW Yo
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Originally Posted by Remembering View Post
A well-managed community requires sacrifice. Typically, when we
consider how a successful community is able to function as well as it
does, we take into account the contributions of sports players,
business leaders, religious figures, or high-profile politicians.

Frequently, we forget there is a flip-side to the city: ditch
diggers, drug rehab counselors, fast food employees, or garbagemen.
All of these employees build our city up as well, and they are paid
barely enough to survive on.

Does this gap make sense? Can it be explained away as a simple case
of supply and demand, or does it touch upon an issue we would rather
avoid: social class in American society.

If we believe the doctrine of the American Dream, then we live in a
classless society. But why have Dallas garbagemen only been making
minimum wage (read further here: Dallas Garbage Workers Protest Being Paid Minimum Wage - Associated Content)
for working a lot harder than many high-profile politicians?

Are gaps created by social class an unavoidable fact of life, or can
American society be modified to reduce these gaps?
LOL, I feel like I am back in college at Berkeley. Oppressed fast food employees of the world unite! All joking aside, gaps in social class are indeed unavoidable, because while we are all equal under the law and in the eyes of God, when it comes to day to day life we are not all equal. Some of us are smarter. Some of us work harder. Some of us are luckier and are in the right place at the right time. Deal with it.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Twilight Zone
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Originally Posted by Remembering View Post
A well-managed community requires sacrifice. Typically, when we
consider how a successful community is able to function as well as it
does, we take into account the contributions of sports players,
business leaders, religious figures, or high-profile politicians.

Frequently, we forget there is a flip-side to the city: ditch
diggers, drug rehab counselors, fast food employees, or garbagemen.
All of these employees build our city up as well, and they are paid
barely enough to survive on.

Does this gap make sense? Can it be explained away as a simple case
of supply and demand, or does it touch upon an issue we would rather
avoid: social class in American society.

If we believe the doctrine of the American Dream, then we live in a
classless society. But why have Dallas garbagemen only been making
minimum wage (read further here: Dallas Garbage Workers Protest Being Paid Minimum Wage - Associated Content)
for working a lot harder than many high-profile politicians?

Are gaps created by social class an unavoidable fact of life, or can
American society be modified to reduce these gaps?
I think it could partially be corrected if they were in a union. In other parts of the country, people employed in the garbage pick-up industry can make pretty good money and have the protection of their union.

There will always be a gap and I don't really call it a social class issue. It's mostly based on supply and demand, or your education level. If there are a zillion people standing by waiting to take your job, your wages will be lower.

I notice in that article it said afte they garbage employee pays their rent, they barely have anything left.......doh What makes them think they can even pay rent on minimum wage? If they can, more than likely they're living in a sub-standard home.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 09:42 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Remembering View Post
A well-managed community requires sacrifice. Typically, when we
consider how a successful community is able to function as well as it
does, we take into account the contributions of sports players,
business leaders, religious figures, or high-profile politicians.

Frequently, we forget there is a flip-side to the city: ditch
diggers, drug rehab counselors, fast food employees, or garbagemen.
All of these employees build our city up as well, and they are paid
barely enough to survive on.

Does this gap make sense? Can it be explained away as a simple case
of supply and demand, or does it touch upon an issue we would rather
avoid: social class in American society.

If we believe the doctrine of the American Dream, then we live in a
classless society. But why have Dallas garbagemen only been making
minimum wage (read further here: Dallas Garbage Workers Protest Being Paid Minimum Wage - Associated Content)
for working a lot harder than many high-profile politicians?

Are gaps created by social class an unavoidable fact of life, or can
American society be modified to reduce these gaps?

Nice liberal touchy feeling post. So do you want your garbage man and fast food worker to get paid say 50k a year. If so then why? Oh and expect the price of your happy meal and trash service to quadruple in order to pay for it.

The minimum wage is just that, the minimum wage. This wage is typicaly reserved for those jobs that require no skill or education. Sure they are important jobs but importance has little to do with wages. Check out the salaries of your favorite sports players. If a person desires to make more than the minimum wage then it is up to them to get the skills and education to do so.

This is the American Dream. No one said it was easy or free but it is attainable for anyone willing to work for it. The Ameican Dream has nothing to do with a classless society. Where did you ever come up with that? A classless society is a central theme of communism and socialism.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 10:46 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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And, TEACHERS !!!

To whom we entrust our children to... and expect the most from!

They deserve so much more!
Seriously? They have an important job, but I wouldn't consider them under paid.

Teachers make a pretty good living in the area... ~43k to start. And that's working 187 days. Accountants make roughly the same working 239 days.

The average income for females in Plano, TX is $39,617.... again most of which would work 239 days.

I feel some teachers deserve more... it would be nice to reward the hard working teachers. Unfortunately the teachers unions hate that idea.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 10:52 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Originally Posted by JVTX72 View Post
It makes you wonder why police, fireman, and other ESSENTIAL civic employes make squat, yet football, baseball and other sports figures are raking in millions. Thats what makes me sick!
Economics makes you sick? It's as simple as the ratio of qualified individuals to the total population.

How many pro sports players are there? 5,000 tops I would guess. How many police and firemen are there? Millions. How many people can be pro sports players, thousands, how many people are qualified to be policemen or firemen? Tens of millions.

The other factor is, it's not the team owners that are paying the players so much... it's the fans that are willing to purchase tickets, watch it on tv, and buy merchandise that are funneling this money into the organization. The answer is simple... stop supporting sports.
 
Old 11-21-2007, 10:56 AM
 
Location: southern california
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here they have resolved these gaps in public service pay by replacing paid american workers with illegal aliens. how do they do it? its easy. you subcontract the public service job, the contractor hires workers all with green cards. this goes on for a few months, but something strange happens, the same uniforms show up on the property every morning, grounds keepers, but the faces and bodies inside the uniforms are different. illegal aliens every one of them. that is how they do it here.
by the way, we do not have crime here, just lots of terrible misunderstandings.
all done in hawaiian shirts. thanks for listening. good post.
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