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Old 03-12-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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My D got into UT, Baylor, and Arkansas. She shortlisted Baylor vs. Arkansas because she wanted a mid-size university. She learned this week that she would be an Arkansas Honors Fellow, which is a full ride. So they are attempting to buy her, but she is also super excited.

Any issues going this route?
Does your daughter plan to be a doctor?
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Yes! She actually would like to go MD/PhD. The Arkansas Honors Fellows (there are only about 75 students selected per year) is an amazing program and they are already throwing research/ECs/study abroad at her. Money is not everything, but it basically a free ride vs. the half ride she received from Baylor vs. nothing from UT. My first concern is that while Arkansas Honors is ranked highly, the overall university is not a UT or a Baylor. My second concern is that while she will retain residency through her parents (us), will she have problems getting into a Texas med school.

Thanks for your help!
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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I'm a physician that finished training not that long ago. I'm out of the loop a little but I would not put Baylor anywhere near UT academically (i'm not a longhorn btw). I doubt there is much of a difference between Baylor and U of A in reputation and academically. I would go with the cheaper option in a heartbeat. It won't affect your daughter getting in state preference in Texas when she applies to medical school. Just my 2 cents
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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Yes! She actually would like to go MD/PhD. The Arkansas Honors Fellows (there are only about 75 students selected per year) is an amazing program and they are already throwing research/ECs/study abroad at her. Money is not everything, but it basically a free ride vs. the half ride she received from Baylor vs. nothing from UT. My first concern is that while Arkansas Honors is ranked highly, the overall university is not a UT or a Baylor. My second concern is that while she will retain residency through her parents (us), will she have problems getting into a Texas med school.

Thanks for your help!
Please verify all of what I say:
1. UT does not offer much merit based scholarship money because they don't have too.
2. Baylor offers a good bit of merit money because they have to and want to.
3. Arkansas loves to poach Texas top high school talent because they can.
4. Medical schools demand great grades in tough majors including all stated prerequisite classes and high MCAT scores. The particular college or university is not that important.
5. Bottom line is she can achieve all the needed undergrad bonafides at any of the schools mentioned.
6. With all of that in mind if your family maintains Texas residency for admission and tuition purposes it doesn't matter much at all which school she picks for undergrad assuming it is a good one.

Bare minimums..........
UTSW:
http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/educat...equisites.html

Baylor College of Medicine:
https://www.bcm.edu/education/school...s/requirements

UT Houston:
https://med.uth.edu/admissions/admissions/requirements/

Given what I know and assume I'd send your kiddo to UofA Fayetteville. tell her to make a bunch of As while maintaining Texas residency and be done with it. UofA Honors College looks great on a resume as well.

Good luck to your daughter!
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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I'm a physician that finished training not that long ago. I'm out of the loop a little but I would not put Baylor anywhere near UT academically (i'm not a longhorn btw). I doubt there is much of a difference between Baylor and U of A in reputation and academically. I would go with the cheaper option in a heartbeat. It won't affect your daughter getting in state preference in Texas when she applies to medical school. Just my 2 cents
The thing is Baylor cranks out a grossly disproportionate number students/grads who go on to become doctors. It's probably the thing Baylor is best at.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Thanks EDS and walker. I am a UT grad so her not wanting to go to UT is a bit sad, but our kids have to go where they are comfortable, so I appreciate your feedback.

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Please verify all of what I say:
1. UT does not offer much merit based scholarship money because they don't have too.
2. Baylor offers a good bit of merit money because they have to and want to.
3. Arkansas loves to poach Texas top high school talent because they can.
4. Medical schools demand great grades in tough majors including all stated prerequisite classes and high MCAT scores. The particular college or university is not that important.
5. Bottom line is she can achieve all the needed undergrad bonafides at any of the schools mentioned.
6. With all of that in mind if your family maintains Texas residency for admission and tuition purposes it doesn't matter much at all which school she picks for undergrad assuming it is a good one.
Here's my experience for future reference.
1. Correct, UT didn't offer her anything even though she is top 3% and 34 ACT.
2. Baylor did offer her a good scholarship, ACT based, and has pursued her pretty hard through numerous campus invites.
3. Yes, Arkansas starts with in-state tuition, but then can up the game with honors college and then again with fellows (they only offer a couple to Texas kids).

Again, thanks so much!
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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In Baylor, she is only going to be less than 2 hrs away from home, if that's a factor for you. Their pre-Med track must be good as for their size, they send good number of kids to medical schools. They won't give her full ride, only tuition plus if she is a national merit scholar.

UT is great but iffy for pre-Med unless kid is very bright or a go getter who won't be weeded out and would find his place among 50,000 students. UT rarely gives merit money, it's now UTD's turn to buy good students with money. You can look there, they have rolling admissions.

Arkansas honors with full ride seems like her best bet even though school isn't great overall. Do look up their medical school acceptance rates and do weigh their undergrad degree's value in market and for graduate schools in case kid can't get into a medical school.

From her rank and ACT, she sounds like a dedicated student.

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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UT is great but iffy for pre-Med unless kid is very bright or a go getter who won't be weeded out and would find his place among 50,000 students. UT rarely gives merit money, it's now UTD's turn to buy good students with money. You can look there, they have rolling admissions.
As a UT alum, definitely agree with this as it can seem like the Hunger Games for those in the pre-med track. Knew quite a few people who weren't able to make it.

Congrats on your child and good luck to her! I guess you'll have to start saying woo pooh sooie
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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To Original Poster, If you don't mind me asking, did she apply to any of the top ranking schools? I'm wondering how DFW's high achieving kids like her stack on that front?
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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Thanks EDS and walker. I am a UT grad so her not wanting to go to UT is a bit sad, but our kids have to go where they are comfortable, so I appreciate your feedback.



Here's my experience for future reference.
1. Correct, UT didn't offer her anything even though she is top 3% and 34 ACT.
2. Baylor did offer her a good scholarship, ACT based, and has pursued her pretty hard through numerous campus invites.
3. Yes, Arkansas starts with in-state tuition, but then can up the game with honors college and then again with fellows (they only offer a couple to Texas kids).

Again, thanks so much!
My son is a Baylor grad. after a quick debrief over dinner last night he recommended before your daughter makes a full commitment to UofA or anyplace consider emailing one or both of these people at Baylor......

Dwayne D. Simmons, Ph.D Biology Department Chair

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Patrick Farmer, Ph.D Chemistry Department Chair

Both gentlemen are heavy into medical research FWIIW. She should include her ACT scores, grades, class position and desire for an MD+Ph.D combo and ask them what she can do to improve her scholarship offer from Baylor and can they help.

The only risk is they say, "can't help you" and they don't help her and her 1/2 offer stands and she probably goes to Arkansas.

My son did this and went from a 1/2 to a free ride........he got the, "I can't help you reply" but somehow within a few days his offer improved markedly.
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