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Old 02-10-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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The amount of high schools within the town of Prosper itself will most likely be 2,possibly 3...Since Prosper ISD spans into Frisco/Mc Kinney etc. there will be roughly 5 maybe 6 high schools within Prosper ISD at build out.The estimated build out population for Prosper at this point for is roughly 70,000 (As of 2016 the town population is close to 18,000) unlike Mc Kinney&Frisco that will be close to 280,000 each at buildout.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Their website has been updated to say 6+ 5A schools. It use to say 4-5 5A schools.

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Prosper ISD is 58 square miles compared to Frisco ISD at 72.

Independent School District Sq. Miles
Lovejoy 19
Allen 29
Melissa 37
Wylie 41
Trenton 47
Prosper 58
Leonard 59
Princeton 60
Blue Ridge 62
Anna 63
Gunter 67
Bland 68
Van Alstyne 69
Whitewright 69
Frisco 72
Royse City 74
Farmersville 86
Community 89
Celina 95
Plano 108
McKinney ISD 109
Well, yes, they do say that on their website. Interesting. Wonder who made that prediction. I can't see the ISD at total buildout having a larger population than McKinney has presently, and the McKinney ISD has one 6A and two at 5A high schools for that population.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:26 PM
 
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Well, yes, they do say that on their website. Interesting. Wonder who made that prediction. I can't see the ISD at total buildout having a larger population than McKinney has presently, and the McKinney ISD has one 6A and two at 5A high schools for that population.
From what I recall, Prosper's projected student population is going to be almost twice as big as McKinney's current student population. I was shocked when I read that a while back, but like I said, Prosper's not built-out and they've got kids from Celina, McKinney, and Frisco in Prosper ISD.
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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From what I recall, Prosper's projected student population is going to be almost twice as big as McKinney's current student population. I was shocked when I read that a while back, but like I said, Prosper's not built-out and they've got kids from Celina, McKinney, and Frisco in Prosper ISD.
Prosper will definitely have a larger student population than just the build out of the town of Prosper. The ISD goes all the way to Lake Forest Drive in McKinney. It also takes a good chunk of north Frisco south of 380. But still.... can't see that it will have a larger student population than McKinney. The statistics listed in another post above show that the square miles of the McKinney ISD as almost twice that of Prosper's, so how can that be? Frisco, yes. Prosper? Hard to believe.

Much of McKinney's ETJ... and much of its ISD... is north of 380 and development has hardly begun north of 380.

Something doesn't jive with all these numbers and predictions.
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Old 02-11-2016, 11:06 AM
 
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From what I recall, Prosper's projected student population is going to be almost twice as big as McKinney's current student population. I was shocked when I read that a while back, but like I said, Prosper's not built-out and they've got kids from Celina, McKinney, and Frisco in Prosper ISD.
They better get building a lot of new schools or theres going to be kids stacked in trailers. Either that are start redrawing their school lines.
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Old 02-11-2016, 02:45 PM
 
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Prosper has a very serious problem -- their business to resident ratio is incredibly low.

Consider this -- Prosper with a population of 17000 has ZERO grocery stores. That's absurd! Yes the Kroger is being built on Preston Road but it is truly shocking that it took this long to get one in Prosper.

Residents are moving in by the droves into Prosper, every day I meet families moving from California, Kentucky, or other places to work for Toyota or other companies.

The town council of Prosper is very much set on a "slow growth" philosophy. I dont think the entire town council agrees with that approach, but they are forced to by long time residents who have been in Prosper for 20 years and refuse to turn Prosper into something resembling Frisco or McKinney. The town residents came to Prosper for large open countryside, and business is threatening to that vision.

That would be all fine and good, except for one thing -- you MUST have businesses in order to build schools.

There are 2 ways to pay for schools: 1) property taxes; 2) business taxes. Since there are very few businesses in Prosper relative to the high population, that puts a tremendous squeeze on residents being forced to pay higher property taxes.

Prosper is very much anti-business. Their building codes and business codes are much, much stricter than other surrounding areas. One example is that Prosper refuses to issue any business licenses to drive-thru fast food style restaurants. As a result the only "fast food" joint in Prosper is Sonic. Taco Bell and McDonalds had to move north to Celina in order to open.

That might not sound like a big deal but that kind of anti-business philosophy extends across the board to other industries including professional offices like doctors offices or other high end retail establisments.

Prosper has 2 choices:

1. Encourage more business growth. Get rid of the arcane building codes and practices that discourage business investment.

2. Actively discourage so many new residents from moving to Prosper. Prosper ISD cant take all the new residents without having a business tax base to support the new students.
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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Prosper has a very serious problem -- their business to resident ratio is incredibly low.

Consider this -- Prosper with a population of 17000 has ZERO grocery stores. That's absurd! Yes the Kroger is being built on Preston Road but it is truly shocking that it took this long to get one in Prosper.

Residents are moving in by the droves into Prosper, every day I meet families moving from California, Kentucky, or other places to work for Toyota or other companies.

The town council of Prosper is very much set on a "slow growth" philosophy. I dont think the entire town council agrees with that approach, but they are forced to by long time residents who have been in Prosper for 20 years and refuse to turn Prosper into something resembling Frisco or McKinney. The town residents came to Prosper for large open countryside, and business is threatening to that vision.

That would be all fine and good, except for one thing -- you MUST have businesses in order to build schools.

There are 2 ways to pay for schools: 1) property taxes; 2) business taxes. Since there are very few businesses in Prosper relative to the high population, that puts a tremendous squeeze on residents being forced to pay higher property taxes.

Prosper is very much anti-business. Their building codes and business codes are much, much stricter than other surrounding areas. One example is that Prosper refuses to issue any business licenses to drive-thru fast food style restaurants. As a result the only "fast food" joint in Prosper is Sonic. Taco Bell and McDonalds had to move north to Celina in order to open.

That might not sound like a big deal but that kind of anti-business philosophy extends across the board to other industries including professional offices like doctors offices or other high end retail establisments.

Prosper has 2 choices:

1. Encourage more business growth. Get rid of the arcane building codes and practices that discourage business investment.

2. Actively discourage so many new residents from moving to Prosper. Prosper ISD cant take all the new residents without having a business tax base to support the new students.

- Other than being geographically near each other, Prosper will always remain a medium size town that does not have a lot in common with the mega cities of Mc Kinney,Frisco and Plano.

- The build out population for Prosper will not exceed roughly 70,000 residents. Mc Kinney,Frisco and Plano will be close to the same size at buildout,roughly 280,000 residents (Plano is already built out).

- Prosper is not comparable to Mc Kinney, Frisco and Plano when it comes to zoning,lot size etc. A close comparison would be Flower Mound. Flower Mound and Prosper have similar zoning,build out plans and home prices. Flower Mound's former town Manager recently became Prosper's town manager.

- 3 Krogers will be opening within Prosper town limits within the next 3 years.The first location will be opening in March 2016 located on Preston Rd.The second location will be opening off 380 adjacent to the Windsong Ranch community. The third location will be opening off 380 and Coit Rd. on the border of West Mc Kinney.

- A number of "fast food" places with drive-thrus opened recently in Prosper on the border of West Mc Kinney recently. Taco Bueno, Starbucks,Popeyes and Burger King.


These are just a few of the current retail and commercial projects currently going on in Prosper...

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/commu...-the-works.ece


http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/20...ng-ranch.html/


http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/20...ice-park.html/


http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/20...-prosper.html/


http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/20...g-center.html/
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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Prosper's projected student enrollment is 45,000.

http://www.talentedk12.com/wp-conten...cess-Story.pdf
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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Well, yes, they do say that on their website. Interesting. Wonder who made that prediction. I can't see the ISD at total buildout having a larger population than McKinney has presently, and the McKinney ISD has one 6A and two at 5A high schools for that population.
This is a realignment year. At the last snapshot (in October) Mckinney has 2 6A's and a very large 5A. I've heard they won't build the 4th high school until the existing 3 reach 3000 each. McKinney North is under construction now to build out to 3k capacity.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Prosper has a very serious problem -- their business to resident ratio is incredibly low.

Consider this -- Prosper with a population of 17000 has ZERO grocery stores. That's absurd! Yes the Kroger is being built on Preston Road but it is truly shocking that it took this long to get one in Prosper.

Residents are moving in by the droves into Prosper, every day I meet families moving from California, Kentucky, or other places to work for Toyota or other companies.

The town council of Prosper is very much set on a "slow growth" philosophy. I dont think the entire town council agrees with that approach, but they are forced to by long time residents who have been in Prosper for 20 years and refuse to turn Prosper into something resembling Frisco or McKinney. The town residents came to Prosper for large open countryside, and business is threatening to that vision.

That would be all fine and good, except for one thing -- you MUST have businesses in order to build schools.

There are 2 ways to pay for schools: 1) property taxes; 2) business taxes. Since there are very few businesses in Prosper relative to the high population, that puts a tremendous squeeze on residents being forced to pay higher property taxes.

Prosper is very much anti-business. Their building codes and business codes are much, much stricter than other surrounding areas. One example is that Prosper refuses to issue any business licenses to drive-thru fast food style restaurants. As a result the only "fast food" joint in Prosper is Sonic. Taco Bell and McDonalds had to move north to Celina in order to open.

That might not sound like a big deal but that kind of anti-business philosophy extends across the board to other industries including professional offices like doctors offices or other high end retail establisments.

Prosper has 2 choices:

1. Encourage more business growth. Get rid of the arcane building codes and practices that discourage business investment.

2. Actively discourage so many new residents from moving to Prosper. Prosper ISD cant take all the new residents without having a business tax base to support the new students.
Prosper ISD had some financial issues around the time of the 2008 crash. They passed a huge bond but didn't have the credit rating (due to lack of business tax base) to fund the bonds. They had built a lot of facilities expecting to be the next boom after Frisco and then the markets crashed. They mitigated the situation by having open enrollment, which they have now ceased. The population is growing and the schools are no longer empty. They built some extremely nice athletic facilities and will struggle to match those facilities at an additional 5 high schools. The football stadium is the worst in 5A and maybe in 4A. Prosper supports their teams and that stadium (home and visitor) can't seat the home team let alone home and visiting teams. The press box is basically a deer blind. They are bidding their time and probably plan to put in an extremely nice stadium around the time they build the second high school. Prosper was a one horse town for a long time and they are adjusting to the idea of supporting multiple schools equally. Without a business tax base they will fail to provide equal facilities and cause a rift in the community.

When my family first moved to Collin County in 99' we did a lot of research on Plano, Frisco and later Prosper (04' we looked in to the town and schools). Plano was well established and Frisco and Prosper were nothing like they are today. Before the kids started school we did a ton of research and decided to give Lovejoy a try. If it didn't work out we could always move later, but here were are 12 years later. From 99' to 04' Frisco was totally transformed and Prosper was starting to grow. It was our opinion that in 99' and 04' Plano was starting to slip but recently has had a great resurgence.


Lovejoy and Allen will most likely be the only one high school ISD's in Collin County at build out. The ISD's cover too much land to retain the one high school model.
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