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Old 09-16-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Rice grad here.

1. Rice discontinued all NMSF/NMF awards a couple or three years ago. Rice believes the SAT and ACT
are better predictors of collegiate success. That and they figured out to many NM kids were hogging what little scholarship money Rice has to give out.

The trend is for colleges that can't or don't won't to give out much scholarship money in order to attract top students to get away from automatic awards of any type.

2. Rice, per university policy, does accept AP credit if the student earned a 4 or 5 on the associated AP test. However, as with virtually all top colleges that accept AP credit they will try very hard to talk many kids out of using those credits.
Well then. I guess Rice is out as I really want to avoid loans as much as possible. Bummer though as we really like the school since the kid is looking like being on some STEM engineering path
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Southlake. Don't judge me.
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Are we putting WAY too much emphasis on the top 1%? I am wondering how many commenting here and wringing their hands about these statistics are NMSF winners themselves or the parents of one?

One can be a very successful, productive member of society and not be a NMSF student, even go on to be successful in the upper professional fields. A NMSF student is one who would more than likely teach medical students as opposed to being one practicing medicine. Both very honorable professions, but being the top 1%, is anything less than that a failure?

Reading thru this thread, one could draw this conclusion.
This is a good point. Like EDS, I tend to look at NMSF as another objective data point to look at, but with caveats like any other.

I'd also add that NMSF is nice (also note to EDS, you typed .05% when I'm sure you actually meant 0.5%), but obviously there is tons of room for success without hitting that marker. FWIW, I have a weird affinity for filling circles with pencil lead and was NMSF with virtually no "practice" (I may have taken a sample test or something). Granted, this was in the dark ages before everyone and their cousin did a zillion hours of test prep. I wasn't a finalist because my grades stunk because I was a lazy slacker.

Things could change in the next X many years, but I doubt my kid will be NMSF. She does well on those tests but not *WELL*, if that make sense. I'm far more driven to instill good habits in her, make sure she gets the most out of her skills, is exposed to numerous areas and will support her in aggressively pursuing those she's interested in. I figure if she does that and carries that approach forward in her life, she'll be successful and likely happy with her choices as well. It will probably also help on standardized tests, but that's a minor issue by comparison.

All those tests have a place, but I think often we get more wound up in the test itself over what it's supposed to be a (partial) measure of. It's kind of like the pro football combine - people get all wound up about what some guy ran in the 40, and forget whether or not they were a good football player for 4 years in college.
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Old 09-16-2015, 06:30 PM
 
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This is a good point. Like EDS, I tend to look at NMSF as another objective data point to look at, but with caveats like any other.

I'd also add that NMSF is nice (also note to EDS, you typed .05% when I'm sure you actually meant 0.5%), but obviously there is tons of room for success without hitting that marker. FWIW, I have a weird affinity for filling circles with pencil lead and was NMSF with virtually no "practice" (I may have taken a sample test or something). Granted, this was in the dark ages before everyone and their cousin did a zillion hours of test prep. I wasn't a finalist because my grades stunk because I was a lazy slacker.

Things could change in the next X many years, but I doubt my kid will be NMSF. She does well on those tests but not *WELL*, if that make sense. I'm far more driven to instill good habits in her, make sure she gets the most out of her skills, is exposed to numerous areas and will support her in aggressively pursuing those she's interested in. I figure if she does that and carries that approach forward in her life, she'll be successful and likely happy with her choices as well. It will probably also help on standardized tests, but that's a minor issue by comparison.

All those tests have a place, but I think often we get more wound up in the test itself over what it's supposed to be a (partial) measure of. It's kind of like the pro football combine - people get all wound up about what some guy ran in the 40, and forget whether or not they were a good football player for 4 years in college.
Right, .05% would indeed be a very lofty goal LOL.
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Old 09-17-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Default Private School NMSF numbers

We are new to Hockaday this year and our 7th grader seems to be doing well so far. The recent announcement for NMSF numbers is kind of worrisome though. This is the second year in a row that Hockaday did not do well, especially compared to St. Marks. Hockaday just made the announcement today and included a new disclaimer in this year's announcement:
"Note to Editors: Using numbers of Semifinalists to compare high schools, educational systems, or states will result in erroneous conclusions. The National Merit® Scholarship Program honors individual students who show exceptional academic ability and potential for success in rigorous college studies. The program does not measure the quality or effectiveness of education within a school, system, or state."
What do you all think? I understand the worry about putting too much emphasis on a number but this is an objective measure and there seems to be a clear trend in the school's numbers.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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We are new to Hockaday this year and our 7th grader seems to be doing well so far. The recent announcement for NMSF numbers is kind of worrisome though. This is the second year in a row that Hockaday did not do well, especially compared to St. Marks. Hockaday just made the announcement today and included a new disclaimer in this year's announcement:
"Note to Editors: Using numbers of Semifinalists to compare high schools, educational systems, or states will result in erroneous conclusions. The National Merit® Scholarship Program honors individual students who show exceptional academic ability and potential for success in rigorous college studies. The program does not measure the quality or effectiveness of education within a school, system, or state."
What do you all think? I understand the worry about putting too much emphasis on a number but this is an objective measure and there seems to be a clear trend in the school's numbers.
I think Hockaday is correct. Further, even with the reduced number of NMSFs recently the school's five year average and five year moving averages are mightily impressive. I don't have the figures on hand but I cyphered them a while ago.
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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Lol, Hockaday is right, but I have a feeling that disclaimer wouldn't be there if they had different numbers.
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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Lol, Hockaday is right, but I have a feeling that disclaimer wouldn't be there if they had different numbers.
Exactly!
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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Lol, Hockaday is right, but I have a feeling that disclaimer wouldn't be there if they had different numbers.
Exactly^. Let parents decide if it matters to them or not but for tuition that you charge and students that you select, you atleast bring higher numbers than no tuition and open enrollment public schools. There is no excuse for this failure.
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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Exactly^. Let parents decide if it matters to them or not but for tuition that you charge and students that you select, you atleast bring higher numbers than no tuition and open enrollment public schools. There is no excuse for this failure.
I love Hockaday but i have to say I agree. To whom much(in this case $$) is given, A WHOLE LOT is expected.

Not to say that these results are the be all/end all but this should be a 'Why thank you... we didn't even notice...' measure for them.

I wont even comment on Ursuline.( Guess i just did)
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I love Hockaday but i have to say I agree. To whom much(in this case $$) is given, A WHOLE LOT is expected.

Not to say that these results are the be all/end all but this should be a 'Why thank you... we didn't even notice...' measure for them.

I wont even comment on Ursuline.( Guess i just did)
Agreed with the above two posters. I'll be interested to see what the SAT/ACT scores trend this year.
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