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Old 10-04-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Colleyville
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Some of it is developmental, and some depends on your district. I have identical twins, 4th grade boys this year. From K they have been high achieving students. In our old district, they used different parameters that were more artistic/qualitative (which is outmoded and not in line with current thinking). Our current district uses IQ testing and teacher recs and they test all students every year. In our old district not all students are tested. I feel that resources allocated to differentiation is an indicator of a better, more forward thinking district.

To answer your question, I don't think you can really prep for an IQ test, but it is helpful to be familiar with the process. One of my boys tested in in 2nd and the other in 3rd. They are both very bright but most tests at this age skew towards females (as do most things school related). I was tempted to press for their inclusion in our old district because my SIL who is a GT specialist wanted me to. But missing the short pullout in K and 1st was no hardship and we are in a good position to utilize resources for middle school when it starts to really matter.

What district are you in?
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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I would not prepare them. If they are indeed gifted and talented then your kids will pass with flying colors. If they fail then they are simply not gifted or talented.

If you prepare them, the test may show that they are gifted and talented even if in reality they aren't, setting them up for failure in the future, which is quite unfair to your kids.
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The Cedars
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Was a member of the first TAG class in my school district. Get them some rest, don't make a big deal of it, and make sure they have a good breakfast.

Prepping for it, if that's even possible, would just warp the results. They're being looked at because of their mental agility/flexibility. Canalizing them in preparation would just mess with the process.

And it's not a pissing contest. Your kids are healthy, clearly bright, and have a Mom watching out for them. If they don't make it, all it means is they don't fit some ISD's specific definition of whatever Gifted means now.

Relax, in other words. How you treat and raise them matters a ****-ton more than some damned label.
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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FWIW--
my daughter teaches in totally GT school in FL--grades 2-12...
so many parents will buy a test score for a child and then the child will really struggle to keep up in accelerated curricula...

there are different tests
when my son was in elementary school, we moved from Shreveport where he went to private school and was judged gifted to public school in HEB...it was difficult year for him...
school was overcrowded because of growth in the area---his desk faced the wall in room he was assigned...
he wasn't judged GT material by his new teachers who didn't know him...
I volunteered in work room at school and got to know the counselors and the GT teacher and other staff... wasn't that impressed with some of his teachers frankly...
spoke with the counselor about the transition to new school, new enviornment
she agreed to test him w/o teachers' referral...one test he didn't excel but second test which was much more creative-oriented, he was top of the charts... so he got in to G/T stream.
He really is a very creative person but totally driven not by grades but by curiosity...

Being intelligent, doing well in school, and being G-T are all different ----
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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Why don't you tell her how to prep then instead of repeating your non answer.

OP. Don't worry about it at all. My son and daughter were tested at age 8. We didn't treat it any differently and next thing we knew we received letters for both admitted in the GT program.
We don't even know which test or school the OP is talking about - that makes it tough to offer specific advice. And the fact remains the other guy/gal's advice was lacking.
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Old 10-04-2015, 07:03 PM
 
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It doesn't matter which school or test it is. There is no need to prep for GT testing. You are either gifted or not. The person giving the test knows how to administer it to a child. Let them handle the testing.
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Old 10-04-2015, 09:44 PM
 
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It doesn't matter which school or test it is. There is no need to prep for GT testing. You are either gifted or not. The person giving the test knows how to administer it to a child. Let them handle the testing.
We'll agree to disagree. However, I have specific examples of test prep strategies and materials being offered to kids by GT coordinators.

Some kids are gifted and some kids are Johns Hopkins CTY gifted.
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Old 10-04-2015, 10:02 PM
 
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prefer to not name the ISD but it is north of Keller city limits and south of Denton city limits. Public ISD
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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OP isn't talking about JHCTY or Duke TIP, she is talking about elementary school's gifted track and there is no need or use of test prep for that. Kids who are pushed into gifted programs by prep or PTA contacts don't benefit much from the program themselves but they do mess up pace and level of program for gifted kids.

Even JHCTY or TIP are useless if your kid has to take test prep classes for that. Instead of going blindly for test prep programs, get them math and English tutoring so they have a solid foundation for standardized tests of PSAT and SAT that really matter.
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:49 AM
 
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prefer to not name the ISD but it is north of Keller city limits and south of Denton city limits. Public ISD
Is the test(s) in question for admission into the school's internal GT program?

Assuming it is I'd at a minimum I'd ask the school the format, setting etc. of the test(s) and softly explain test taking 101 in that context to your kids. If the test is going to be an interview or a verbal IQ test or a verbal, "math sense" quiz or maybe just a sit down with a pencil test your kids need to know in advance.

Someone above, and it's thrown into every similar conversation here, mentioned false positive results - kids who shouldn't pass a test but do due to test coaching etc. I'd argue that false negatives are a FAR more important problem. Sure a kid or two here and there will be coached into a GT program, I have no doubt of that. However, that problem should be self correcting in most cases. The false positive kid might gently be asked to leave the program down the line. Or much more likely the false positive kid will step it up and do well in the program. Kids are not, "coached up" from the middle of the pack into GT programs via tests often enough to worry about.

In my mind kids earning false negative results demonstrate a more important issue. As a general rule well designed tests of this nature yield more false negative results than false positive results - that's not my original thinking but instead from a friend who is a professor at UTSW. Let's take math..........a math test for GT status fails if a kid understands the basics of complex abstract mathematical concepts but answers related questions incorrectly because s/he misapplies the order of operations or mishandles simple fractions, arithmetic type stuff etc. I'd argue that parents of suspected GT kids should prep kids to some degree in order to minimize the chances of false negative results.


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My sister's son was on a path to nowhere a few years ago - bad grades, acting out, certainly depressed etc. Through diligence on sis's part, and one teacher who saw though his act, she found that the kid is very gifted. So he went from a flunky in 2, 3 and 4th grade to a Johns Hopkins CTY kid to a current 8th grader who might go to Stanford next year as a 14yo. This kid scored a 120 on an IQ test this summer. I understand that 120 isn't phenomenal..........he took the test in Chinese and he's a white kid born in Houston.

It's just critical to know where smart kids fit on the GT spectrum.
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