Dallas crime.... Is it really that bad?? (McKinney, Henderson: renters, neighborhood)

[da jammer]

Let's keep the topic geared towards the issue of crime and work on the weather angle in another thread. Thanks folks

[walty_14]

I think one of the major things to consider in your analysis, if you really want to get into the details, is where you will actually be. Will you live in Dallas itself or one of the suburbs? if its one of the burbs that should probably the more important factor. Also, if you work in Dallas, look at the crime maps and see how your area is. Also look to see what areas you wouldn't want to enter for any reason. In any major metro, there are those areas but if you don't enter those areas, you will minimize your risk.

[mrkue]

How old are those stats? Detroit has logged in 400+murders the last two years.

[Lakewooder]

Recently there was a major news story about break-ins in East Dallas (actually it was mostly the other side of White Rock Lake which might also be called Far East Dallas, but this was a bit in-between). Turns out it was two kids - they caught them and recovered some of the items. The dummies used their own IDs at pawn shops. Burglaries have now dropped to near zilch now from what I read (can't remember where).

But the Dallas Morning News made a major deal of it, I believe it was on the front page.

[StupidPeople]

Originally Posted by Canine*Castle

Okay, going there is fine, but I wouldn't live there.

Straight out of Wikipedia QUOTE: "According to the FBI, a city to city comparison of crime rates is not meaningful, because recording practices vary from city to city, citizens report different percentages of crimes from one city to the next, and the actual number of people physically present in a city is unknown. [9] Also, most of the violent crime in a city is concentrated in a few bad neighborhoods. With that in mind, however, Dallas's violent crime rate (12.06) is lower than such major cities as St Louis (24.81 per thousand), Detroit (24.22), Baltimore (16.96), Philadelphia (15.62), Cleveland (15.47), Miami (15.09), Washington DC (14.48), Kansas City (14.44) and Boston (13.39). Dallas's violent crime rate trails such cities as Houston (11.69), Los Angeles (7.87) and New York City (6.38)."

[Kukoc]

I lived in the Dallas area for 28 years so I've been through most areas good and bad on numerous occassions. Like any other large city or metro-area you have your really good areas and then your really bad areas. However, the fact that Dallas has led the nation in overall crime the last 10 years or so is no mistake. Dallas has always been a haven for crimes such as auto theft, burglary, robbery, drugs, etc. I know from experience because I've had my homes broken into and my truck stolen when I lived in Dallas. If that's not bad enough the murder, assault, rape, and other violent crimes in Dallas have all risen dramatically over the last 10 or 15 years. This to me is really no suprise either. Dallas has been one of the fastest growing cities for many years, and Texas is quickly on its way to becoming the most populated state.

Most of the reasons people flock to Dallas are good ones like the strong job market and cheaper cost of living, but more people almost always means more crime. Yes, most of the violent crime is going on in the hood and the Big D is no exception. Without a doubt probably the 4 most dangerous areas in the D are South Dallas (the notorious Fair Park area), Oak Cliff (Southwest Dallas), Highland Hills (Southeast Dallas), and Pleasant Grove (East Dallas). All have more than their share of violent crime. I've been and spent some time in some of the most talked about hoods around the country such as Inglewood and Compton in Los Angeles and East Point and College Park in Atlanta and from what I've experienced Dallas' hood spots are alot worse. Even though Los Angeles has alot more numbers when it comes to prison and street gangs the gangs in Dallas are just as bad. You have your typical Hispanic and Black gangs. In L.A. the Crips outnumber the Bloods about 4 to 1. Well, in Dallas the Bloods outnumber the Crips about 4 to 1. In other words if your a Crip in Dallas stay out of the Southside because almost all of it is Blood neighborhoods.

In L.A. you have The Mexican Mafia which mainly controls the prisons and drugs on the streets. Their main rival is Nuestra Familia, a prison gang from Northern California. Well, in Dallas you have Texas Syndicate, a well known Mexican prison gang, with numbers growing by the minute. A big rival of theirs right now is MS-13 an extremely violent El Salvadorian gang. I've also seen my share of fights in the clubs between Mexicans from Oak Cliff and Mexicans from Pleasant Grove. I guess it is to prove whose hood is better. All I know is they hate each other with a passion. I don't know how many clubs they've shut down over the years, but I know it has been alot.

The other most noticable difference between cities like L.A. or Atlanta and Dallas is the fact that there are always people downtown and in the streets. I don't care if you go to downtown L.A. at 1:00 during the day or 1:00 in the morning there are always people on the streets, same in Atlanta as well. I'm not talking about homeless people or street hustlers either, I'm talking about middleclass type people on the streets. You would never see this in downtown Dallas. After dark the only ones on the streets there are the homeless or the street hustlers. About the only safe places downtown anymore are the West-end and the club district. Deep Ellum, once a hot spot for clubs and bars is almost non-existent these days due mainly to the violent crime in that area and believe me I've seen it. I've seen everything from gang fights to people getting shot and killed down there. It got so bad down there that I just stopped going all together because when you did you had the police on your tail the whole time.

I blame this on the City of Dallas and the lack of funds going into downtown and the inner city. Mayor Laura Miller could really learn something from cities like L.A. and Atlanta when it comes to developing downtown and inner city areas. It's no wonder why the city is such a mess right now. All the money toward development in the city either goes to Uptown, the Park Cities, or North Dallas, like that area does'nt already have enough money. To make things worse the Dallas Police Department is literally a joke. I don't know how many scandals, criminal acts, etc. they have been involved in over the years, I lost count a long time ago, and lets not even talk about Dallas schools (there some of the worst in the country).

Dallas even had a chance to build the new Cowboy's stadium in Fair Park which would have given South Dallas residents thousands of new jobs and what does Laura Miller go and do. She acts like its not in the best interest for Dallas and loses the bid to Arlington. It is stuff like this I'm talking about. The city continues to put more money in the pockets of the rich and does nothing for the inner city and poor communities and until they do the crime is gonna get alot worse before it gets better.

[rb4browns]

Originally Posted by Kukoc

I lived in the Dallas area for 28 years so I've been through most areas good and bad on numerous occassions. Like any other large city or metro-area you have your really good areas and then your really bad areas. However, the fact that Dallas has led the nation in overall crime the last 10 years or so is no mistake. Dallas has always been a haven for crimes such as auto theft, burglary, robbery, drugs, etc. I know from experience because I've had my homes broken into and my truck stolen when I lived in Dallas. If that's not bad enough the murder, assault, rape, and other violent crimes in Dallas have all risen dramatically over the last 10 or 15 years. This to me is really no suprise either. Dallas has been one of the fastest growing cities for many years, and Texas is quickly on its way to becoming the most populated state. Most of the reasons people flock to Dallas are good ones like the strong job market and cheaper cost of living, but more people almost always means more crime. Yes, most of the violent crime is going on in the hood and the Big D is no exception. Without a doubt probably the 4 most dangerous areas in the D are South Dallas (the notorious Fair Park area), Oak Cliff (Southwest Dallas), Highland Hills (Southeast Dallas), and Pleasant Grove (East Dallas). All have more than their share of violent crime. I've been and spent some time in some of the most talked about hoods around the country such as Inglewood and Compton in Los Angeles and East Point and College Park in Atlanta and from what I've experienced Dallas' hood spots are alot worse. Even though Los Angeles has alot more numbers when it comes to prison and street gangs the gangs in Dallas are just as bad. You have your typical Hispanic and Black gangs. In L.A. the Crips outnumber the Bloods about 4 to 1. Well, in Dallas the Bloods outnumber the Crips about 4 to 1. In other words if your a Crip in Dallas stay out of the Southside because almost all of it is Blood neighborhoods. In L.A. you have The Mexican Mafia which mainly controls the prisons and drugs on the streets. Their main rival is Nuestra Familia, a prison gang from Northern California. Well, in Dallas you have Texas Syndicate, a well known Mexican prison gang, with numbers growing by the minute. A big rival of theirs right now is MS-13 an extremely violent El Salvadorian gang. I've also seen my share of fights in the clubs between Mexicans from Oak Cliff and Mexicans from Pleasant Grove. I guess it is to prove whose hood is better. All I know is they hate each other with a passion. I don't know how many clubs they've shut down over the years, but I know it has been alot.
The other most noticable difference between cities like L.A. or Atlanta and Dallas is the fact that there are always people downtown and in the streets. I don't care if you go to downtown L.A. at 1:00 during the day or 1:00 in the morning there are always people on the streets, same in Atlanta as well. I'm not talking about homeless people or street hustlers either, I'm talking about middleclass type people on the streets. You would never see this in downtown Dallas. After dark the only ones on the streets there are the homeless or the street hustlers. About the only safe places downtown anymore are the West-end and the club district. Deep Ellum, once a hot spot for clubs and bars is almost non-existent these days due mainly to the violent crime in that area and believe me I've seen it. I've seen everything from gang fights to people getting shot and killed down there. It got so bad down there that I just stopped going all together because when you did you had the police on your tail the whole time. I blame this on the City of Dallas and the lack of funds going into downtown and the inner city. Mayor Laura Miller could really learn something from cities like L.A. and Atlanta when it comes to developing downtown and inner city areas. It's no wonder why the city is such a mess right now. All the money toward development in the city either goes to Uptown, the Park Cities, or North Dallas, like that area does'nt already have enough money. To make things worse the Dallas Police Department is literally a joke. I don't know how many scandals, criminal acts, etc. they have been involved in over the years, I lost count a long time ago, and lets not even talk about Dallas schools (there some of the worst in the country). Dallas even had a chance to build the new Cowboy's stadium in Fair Park which would have given South Dallas residents thousands of new jobs and what does Laura Miller go and do. She acts like its not in the best interest for Dallas and loses the bid to Arlington. It is stuff like this I'm talking about. The city continues to put more money in the pockets of the rich and does nothing for the inner city and poor communities and until they do the crime is gonna get alot worse before it gets better.

Um ok, but Laura Miller is no longer mayor of Dallas.

[lh_newbie]

Originally Posted by Kukoc

...I've been and spent some time in some of the most talked about hoods around the country such as Inglewood and Compton in Los Angeles and East Point and College Park in Atlanta and from what I've experienced Dallas' hood spots are alot worse.

So, you sign up to just troll with your first post? Hilarious. For the record, I have also been to Compton. If you seriously think that Dallas has areas as bad or worse than Compton - man, you have got to be smoking something good. It's been a few years since I've been there, but I can definitely say that my short trip through Compton was honestly the first time I was seriously concerned for my personal well being, and I grew up in Detroit. I'm not saying Dallas doesn't have it's bad spots, but to say it's worse than Compton is a prime example as to why your post should basically be ignored.

And Dallas NEVER had a chance to get the Cowboy stadium. Jerry was just using Dallas as a bargaining chip.

I assume you don't live here anymore. Where'd you move and when?

Brian

[StupidPeople]

Originally Posted by Kukoc

I lived in the Dallas area for 28 years so I've been through most areas good and bad on numerous occassions. Like any other large city or metro-area you have your really good areas and then your really bad areas. However, the fact that Dallas has led the nation in overall crime the last 10 years or so is no mistake. Dallas has always been a haven for crimes such as auto theft, burglary, robbery, drugs, etc. I know from experience because I've had my homes broken into and my truck stolen when I lived in Dallas. If that's not bad enough the murder, assault, rape, and other violent crimes in Dallas have all risen dramatically over the last 10 or 15 years. This to me is really no suprise either. Dallas has been one of the fastest growing cities for many years, and Texas is quickly on its way to becoming the most populated state.

Most of the reasons people flock to Dallas are good ones like the strong job market and cheaper cost of living, but more people almost always means more crime. Yes, most of the violent crime is going on in the hood and the Big D is no exception. Without a doubt probably the 4 most dangerous areas in the D are South Dallas (the notorious Fair Park area), Oak Cliff (Southwest Dallas), Highland Hills (Southeast Dallas), and Pleasant Grove (East Dallas). All have more than their share of violent crime. I've been and spent some time in some of the most talked about hoods around the country such as Inglewood and Compton in Los Angeles and East Point and College Park in Atlanta and from what I've experienced Dallas' hood spots are alot worse. Even though Los Angeles has alot more numbers when it comes to prison and street gangs the gangs in Dallas are just as bad. You have your typical Hispanic and Black gangs. In L.A. the Crips outnumber the Bloods about 4 to 1. Well, in Dallas the Bloods outnumber the Crips about 4 to 1. In other words if your a Crip in Dallas stay out of the Southside because almost all of it is Blood neighborhoods.

In L.A. you have The Mexican Mafia which mainly controls the prisons and drugs on the streets. Their main rival is Nuestra Familia, a prison gang from Northern California. Well, in Dallas you have Texas Syndicate, a well known Mexican prison gang, with numbers growing by the minute. A big rival of theirs right now is MS-13 an extremely violent El Salvadorian gang. I've also seen my share of fights in the clubs between Mexicans from Oak Cliff and Mexicans from Pleasant Grove. I guess it is to prove whose hood is better. All I know is they hate each other with a passion. I don't know how many clubs they've shut down over the years, but I know it has been alot.

The other most noticable difference between cities like L.A. or Atlanta and Dallas is the fact that there are always people downtown and in the streets. I don't care if you go to downtown L.A. at 1:00 during the day or 1:00 in the morning there are always people on the streets, same in Atlanta as well. I'm not talking about homeless people or street hustlers either, I'm talking about middleclass type people on the streets. You would never see this in downtown Dallas. After dark the only ones on the streets there are the homeless or the street hustlers. About the only safe places downtown anymore are the West-end and the club district. Deep Ellum, once a hot spot for clubs and bars is almost non-existent these days due mainly to the violent crime in that area and believe me I've seen it. I've seen everything from gang fights to people getting shot and killed down there. It got so bad down there that I just stopped going all together because when you did you had the police on your tail the whole time.

I blame this on the City of Dallas and the lack of funds going into downtown and the inner city. Mayor Laura Miller could really learn something from cities like L.A. and Atlanta when it comes to developing downtown and inner city areas. It's no wonder why the city is such a mess right now. All the money toward development in the city either goes to Uptown, the Park Cities, or North Dallas, like that area does'nt already have enough money. To make things worse the Dallas Police Department is literally a joke. I don't know how many scandals, criminal acts, etc. they have been involved in over the years, I lost count a long time ago, and lets not even talk about Dallas schools (there some of the worst in the country).

Dallas even had a chance to build the new Cowboy's stadium in Fair Park which would have given South Dallas residents thousands of new jobs and what does Laura Miller go and do. She acts like its not in the best interest for Dallas and loses the bid to Arlington. It is stuff like this I'm talking about. The city continues to put more money in the pockets of the rich and does nothing for the inner city and poor communities and until they do the crime is gonna get alot worse before it gets better.

Is this serious? Didn't this Cowboys stadium ordeal happen in late 2005 or early 2006? Isn't it 2008? I don't recall. Comparing Compton and LA to DFW? I guess I don't follow.

[Catsofthebase3]

All major cities have bad areas, and crime. Dallas has it too, no surprise. Comparing it to Detroit, or Los Angeles? That does not compute. Detroit and LA don't have some of our very harsh crime laws, a death sentence expressway for those extra special people, or a law that states if you forcibly enter someones house, you forfeit your right to not be shot at.

As some of you said, its common sense plain and simple. Don't take a stroll in fair park at midnight, and don't park your car someplace dark and out of the way downtown. Don't be an easy target, and crooks will look for someone else. That's why they're crooks, they don't like hard work.