UTSW.....#1 in the world in medical research? Maybe it really is. (Houston: credit, public school)

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by kretsch

In the end, patients don't care where you went to medical school if its Harvard or UTSW or wherever, trust me ..........

Plenty of doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of their class--they don't put rank on med school diplomas

[Nn2036]

Originally Posted by Texas Ag 93

Not matching from UTSW? I'm curious about that. I know it always seems to happen to a few people every year, but really, a graduate of any allopathic medical school in the US should absolutely be able to match. Might be in a non competitive specialty and/or less than desirable location, but you should still match somewhere. What happened to these people? Do you really think they are all the bottom of their class? Or were they applicants who put all their eggs in one basket and kept their fingers crossed they could get into Ortho/Plastics/Derm with only a few interviews? Where were their advisors? You have to be realistic about your chances and plan accordingly.

Mostly those want competitive specialty without applying or interviewing at enough programs.

The bottom of the class usually applied accordingly and matched.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Texas Ag 93

Not matching from UTSW? I'm curious about that. I know it always seems to happen to a few people every year, but really, a graduate of any allopathic medical school in the US should absolutely be able to match. Might be in a non competitive specialty and/or less than desirable location, but you should still match somewhere. What happened to these people? Do you really think they are all the bottom of their class? Or were they applicants who put all their eggs in one basket and kept their fingers crossed they could get into Ortho/Plastics/Derm with only a few interviews? Where were their advisors? You have to be realistic about your chances and plan accordingly.

I should have been more precise. I was talking about people who didn't math during the primary match or didn't try.

From my son's class, among his acquaintances, one kid went to work for his dad's company. A couple of others went to work in finance all three skipped the match process all together - UTSW hates these kinds of outcomes. A least a few kids tried "suicide matches".........interviewing/applying to only one residency. One of my son's good friends with a bottom 1/3 rank and just under mid point Step 1 and 2 scores - not a bum by any means - applied to three of the toughest ophthalmology programs. He knew it was an extreme long shot but wanted to try. He made adjustments and matched during the supplementary match.

However, as Nn2036 noted most who fail to match simply apply/interview for too few residencies or they are forcing a bonafides (GPA, scores etc.) mismatch like the optho kid above.

Between the primary, secondary matches and students who take one year off for research, a quick masters in something, wait tables etc. and apply a year later nearly all US medical grads who want to ultimately match into something.

Parroting Nn2036 a little. The guy/gal who comes in last at a place like UTSW Med. is an academic heavyweight.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by loves2read

Plenty of doctors out there graduated in the bottom half of their class--they don't put rank on med school diplomas

Right but the hard truth is bottom half graduates tend to be herded into less competitive residencies. That said the young lady who finished #1 in my son's class chose what's generally considered the easiest/least competitive residency pathways because the associated career spoke to her.

[platon20]

I would still put Baylor way ahead of UTSW. UTSW has absolutely nothing comparable to the Texas Medical Center (largest medical center in the world)

UTSW is too provincial and doesn't attract the same talented nationwide applicant pool like Baylor does. UTSW needs to ditch the TMDSAS application system and switch to AMCAS

Baylor's research affiliations with TMC/Rice/etc and clinical affiliations with the TMC blow UTSW out of the water.

[platon20]

Originally Posted by EDS_

https://www.newswise.com/articles/ut...o-nature-index


ETA - The University of Texas system's big three medical schools/programs UTSW #1 (Dallas), UT MD Anderson #7 (Houston) and UT Health Science Center #22 (Houston) are each in the top 25. All three ahead of Stanford and Penn for examples.


https://www.natureindex.com/annual-t.../life-sciences

I'm confused. Are you talking about UTSW or the entire statewide UT system? If you are looking at the whole system then University of California would trump Texas.

At any rate, you should only look at each individual branch location. A UTSW student isn't going to be able to get the same research opportunities at MD Anderson that a Baylor or UT Houston student would.

[Nn2036]

Originally Posted by platon20

I would still put Baylor way ahead of UTSW. UTSW has absolutely nothing comparable to the Texas Medical Center (largest medical center in the world)

UTSW is too provincial and doesn't attract the same talented nationwide applicant pool like Baylor does. UTSW needs to ditch the TMDSAS application system and switch to AMCAS

Baylor's research affiliations with TMC/Rice/etc and clinical affiliations with the TMC blow UTSW out of the water.

Largest doesn't mean best. TMC is a conglomeration of institutions, not a single entity. Nothing in Houston is comparable to the like of MGH, Penn, Hopkins, etc...


The only thing truly affiliated with Baylor is Ben Taub which is a notch below Parkland. MD Anderson is a separate institution belong to the UT system.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by platon20

I would still put Baylor way ahead of UTSW. UTSW has absolutely nothing comparable to the Texas Medical Center (largest medical center in the world)

UTSW is too provincial and doesn't attract the same talented nationwide applicant pool like Baylor does. UTSW needs to ditch the TMDSAS application system and switch to AMCAS

Baylor's research affiliations with TMC/Rice/etc and clinical affiliations with the TMC blow UTSW out of the water.

My daughter will be an MS-1 and Baylor in '19 so I'm a fan but come on.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by platon20

I'm confused. Are you talking about UTSW or the entire statewide UT system? If you are looking at the whole system then University of California would trump Texas.

At any rate, you should only look at each individual branch location. A UTSW student isn't going to be able to get the same research opportunities at MD Anderson that a Baylor or UT Houston student would.

The discussion has moved back and forth. But mainly I've been talking about UTSW itself. I recall from past conversations that you like to run UTSW down and that's your prerogative but my experience as a payer and a small time donor is that UTSW is fist rate in many ways.

[Texas Ag 93]

Originally Posted by Nn2036

Largest doesn't mean best. TMC is a conglomeration of institutions, not a single entity. Nothing in Houston is comparable to the like of MGH, Penn, Hopkins, etc...


The only thing truly affiliated with Baylor is Ben Taub which is a notch below Parkland. MD Anderson is a separate institution belong to the UT system.

I'm from Houston, and agree with the statement above. The Texas Medical Center is an affiliation of separate, often competing, institutions. In effect, the sum is greater than the whole of the parts. True, there is nothing comparable in the world with regards to its organizational structure, campus size or mission/vision (i.e. all member organizations have to be nonprofit and have a clear education and/or research component, for example). And while it does have some best, or near best, of class institutions like MD Anderson, Texas Children's and TIRR, its highest rated acute and general care adult hospitals are ranked far below both the ones listed above, as well as teaching facilities in much smaller cities like St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc. I would say the City of Boston has the absolute best medical complex in the country, with Chicago probably 2nd and NYC/Houston/Los Angeles vying for 3rd.