Uptown and Downtown. There is no difference (Dallas, Fort Worth: live, shop)

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by turf3

No, it will shunt thousands and thousands of cars through downtown, creating a massive 24/7 traffic jam. No one who was not around before the Central elevated was built can imagine how bad it was then - it would be ten times worse now.


I remember what it was like trying to get from north of downtown to south of downtown in 1968. Trust me, we do NOT want to go back to that.

I doubt that this will happen now.

If designed in a way that will properly utilize the entire street grid in the area, I don’t think it’s a problem. There’s cities all over the world (with much higher population densities) that have done it and it was successful. I think we fail to realize that any vibrant downtown area in the United States, you cannot just cut through it in no time. We honestly think that’s a normal thing. New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc. all have vibrant downtowns that take a while to go through it. Traffic creates vibrancy. Urban planners know this to be the truth. Freeways are known to make an urban area around it decline. Why do you think there’s acres of parking all around the elevated portions of Central. It’s been there for over 40 years and no major significant development has it spurred. Elevated Central has to be replaced because it’s at the end of its lifespand. I doubt it will be replace with another bridge.

BTW all of the traffic is not coming to Dallas at all, it’s through traffic from truck drivers. TXDOT did a study called citymap, they recommended that it should be torn down. Because it will have a greater economic impact and it will create more jobs.

[JJG]

Originally Posted by Jeohnny

I said it does end of story.

Dallas already has PLENTY of new highrises coming up. There's no need for any in any part of Dallas because it's already happening.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

I doubt that this will happen now.

If designed in a way that will properly utilize the entire street grid in the area, I don’t think it’s a problem. There’s cities all over the world (with much higher population densities) that have done it and it was successful. I think we fail to realize that any vibrant downtown area in the United States, you cannot just cut through it in no time. We honestly think that’s a normal thing. New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc. all have vibrant downtowns that take a while to go through it. Traffic creates vibrancy. Urban planners know this to be the truth. Freeways are known to make an urban area around it decline. Why do you think there’s acres of parking all around the elevated portions of Central. It’s been there for over 40 years and no major significant development has it spurred. Elevated Central has to be replaced because it’s at the end of its lifespand. I doubt it will be replace with another bridge.

BTW all of the traffic is not coming to Dallas at all, it’s through traffic from truck drivers. TXDOT did a study called citymap, they recommended that it should be torn down. Because it will have a greater economic impact and it will create more jobs.

+1

I totally agree with this. As I've said before it will take at least 3 to 5 years for them to remove the highway, regrid the new Blvd, designate the new developable plots and add in green space. That would be MORE than enough time for the general populous to become used to not having a freeway there.

The uncomfortable part would happen only at the the start of demo. And even then it won't be as bad because the warnings of rerouting and alternate routes would be released months before demo. So people would be prepared to avoid the mess.

If you live in Dallas You are used to freeways being under construction....We eventually get used to the alternate routes and avoid the NIGHTMARE under construction at all cost! Some people HAVE to muscle through it but most people won't.

The only difference in this situation is that the alternate routes that are suggested will eventually become the permanent routes when the dust settles...meaning the general populous will have 5 years worth of "being used to" not having I-345.

[dallasboi]

Random notification:

There are officially more cranes in DOWNTOWN Dallas than in uptown.

The spillover that was projected for downtown is in full effect.....YES!!��

[Jeohnny]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Random notification:

There are officially more cranes in DOWNTOWN Dallas than in uptown.

The spillover that was projected for downtown is in full effect.....YES!!��

Downtown is also becoming alot more active nowadays too. Lot more people on streets

[RJ312]

Downtown with the clustering of tall buildings and short distances between stop lights has a little bit of a New York City (Manhattan) feeling. Uptown does not have that feeling.

[Jeohnny]

Originally Posted by RJ312

Downtown with the clustering of tall buildings and short distances between stop lights has a little bit of a New York City (Manhattan) feeling. Uptown does not have that feeling.

Exactly, that's why I care more for the future of downtown than uptown bc downtown has that feel of being in nyc Chicago etc especially as it continues to grow and populate.

[Dallas12]

I just like the overall densification of Central Dallas and it's really fun watching the neighborhoods change.

Just look at the juxtapostion in architecture: https://kdc.com/our-active-work/bayl...-white-health/

[circlebox]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Random notification:

There are officially more cranes in DOWNTOWN Dallas than in uptown.

The spillover that was projected for downtown is in full effect.....YES!!��

"Eye On Dallas: One Developer’s Push to Remake Downtown" -

https://commercialobserver.com/2018/...ton-companies/

[DTXman34]

Originally Posted by circlebox

"Eye On Dallas: One Developer’s Push to Remake Downtown" -

https://commercialobserver.com/2018/...ton-companies/

I have mixed thoughts on Headington. What he did to the Joule was successful and something to be admired. But his decision to destroy some of the city's oldest buildings across the street for an eyeball and brand new building (with a surface valet lot in the back ) was disgraceful.