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Do men who tend to more more left of center tend to be less 'traditionally masculine' in psychological and philosophical perspectives? Probably, I could buy that. Traditional masculinity has a lot of negatives that come with it in the modern world.
But transitioning that to say that this equates to a weaker man in general (however you're defining that)? And that it can also be attributed to being physically weaker? That's a huge stretch and honestly kind of laughable. And beyond that, who cares? Is there an issue with a man voting who doesn't work out all the time? Is peak fitness valuable in the political arena? It's just a pointless hypothesis that seems a thinly veiled attempt to shame men who don't fit into a 'traditionally masculine' mold.
There have been a good number of studies that buttress RJ312's claim. A recent example from Brunel (a legit college in London) indicates strongly that men tending towards socialism tend to be smaller, physically weaker etc. than men to the right.
I'm not an evolutionary psychologist but quite obviously in the recent past among men physical size and self reliance were part and parcel to those who ran things warriors, hunters and the like. Lack of size and reliance on groups (equality over merit) pointed toward men who worked in kitchens and the fields. Relatedly, probably anyway, modern women prefer taller men over shorter men. Taller people who are also physically robust tend to have higher IQs than others.
23andme and the like will shed a lot of light on these areas over the next few years. I'd be interested to know how much percentage neanderthal DNA has to do with the above (FWIIW in modern humans high neanderthal genetic content generally yields tall to very tall people, with high IQ and lots of "drive").
There have been a good number of studies that buttress RJ312's claim. A recent example from Brunel (a legit college in London) indicates strongly that men tending towards socialism tend to be smaller, physically weaker etc. than men to the right.
I'm not an evolutionary psychologist but quite obviously in the recent past among men physical size and self reliance were part and parcel to those who ran things warriors, hunters and the like. Lack of size and reliance on groups (equality over merit) pointed toward men who worked in kitchens and the fields. Relatedly, probably anyway, modern women prefer taller men over shorter men. Taller people who are also physically robust tend to have higher IQs than others.
23andme and the like will shed a lot of light on these areas over the next few years. I'd be interested to know how much percentage neanderthal DNA has to do with the above (FWIIW in modern humans high neanderthal genetic content generally yields tall to very tall people, with high IQ and lots of "drive").
This study makes such assessments flawed in themselves.
Professor: {The idea that intelligence can be measured by IQ tests alone is a fallacy}
“It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests."
Reminds me of when the woman separated blue eyed people from brown eyed people and told others blue-eyed people weren't as smart and the brown eyed people started to agree with that.
Another professor stated, “We already know that, from a scientific point of view, the notion of race is meaningless. Genetic differences do not map on to traditional measurements of skin colour, hair type, body proportions and skull measurements. Now we have shown that IQ is meaningless too.”
So when I was a kid, we black people were told we could not coach or play quarterback, could not be an engineer(today I have engineers in the family. (was just visiting one in his new home in Hollyhock in Frisco), or even write an award winning article.
When I was a senior in high school my white English teach refused to give me a grade on a paper because, wait for it, she didn't think I wrote it. No doubt she had some preconditioned ideas about intellect. I would love to see her today and talk about that, and how I would go on to publish in major publications and have my work earn me an WGA authorized agent. Another person from my school, one of the poorest in the state at that time, grew up with books that were 5 years old that came from the white schools when they were finished with them, who could only go to the state fair on one day, negro day, who overcame all the pitfalls of racism, having to start the race at the goal line while others started the race at the 20 yard line, he caught them and passed them and today is a Texas state Senator.
This study makes such assessments flawed in themselves.
Professor: {The idea that intelligence can be measured by IQ tests alone is a fallacy}
“It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests."
Reminds me of when the woman separated blue eyed people from brown eyed people and told others blue-eyed people weren't as smart and the brown eyed people started to agree with that.
Another professor stated, “We already know that, from a scientific point of view, the notion of race is meaningless. Genetic differences do not map on to traditional measurements of skin colour, hair type, body proportions and skull measurements. Now we have shown that IQ is meaningless too.”
So when I was a kid, we black people were told we could not coach or play quarterback, could not be an engineer(today I have engineers in the family. (was just visiting one in his new home in Hollyhock in Frisco), or even write an award winning article.
When I was a senior in high school my white English teach refused to give me a grade on a paper because, wait for it, she didn't think I wrote it. No doubt she had some preconditioned ideas about intellect. I would love to see her today and talk about that, and how I would go on to publish in major publications and have my work earn me an WGA authorized agent. Another person from my school, one of the poorest in the state at that time, grew up with books that were 5 years old that came from the white schools when they were finished with them, who could only go to the state fair on one day, negro day, who overcame all the pitfalls of racism, having to start the race at the goal line while others started the race at the 20 yard line, he caught them and passed them and today is a Texas state Senator.
Yeah, IQ tests are sketchy at best, they basically just show how good someone is at taking the IQ test. Being more highly educated will raise your IQ score almost automatically. It's impossible to show how much of that making you actually smarter though education, and how much of that is just understanding how to take the test.
I've seen some studies that show certain African countries have average IQs in the 70s. Does that mean you have a whole country of people who are mentally disabled? No, it just means that they aren't taught how to think for an IQ test. It's merely a lack of education.
It's very difficult to actually gauge natural ability, since outside of the very smart and seriously disabled, it's pretty plastic anyway.
There have been a good number of studies that buttress RJ312's claim. A recent example from Brunel (a legit college in London) indicates strongly that men tending towards socialism tend to be smaller, physically weaker etc. than men to the right.
Always worried when I see such qualifiers Apparently it is a university most people have never heard of. And even in its Wikipedia page, it is mentioned to be known for a conservative bent!
The above relevant only because the post seems to go against much of what is in the public domain- that men without college degrees (using this as an approximation for IQ, with its issues) more likely to be conservative, versus men with.
This study makes such assessments flawed in themselves.
Professor: {The idea that intelligence can be measured by IQ tests alone is a fallacy}
“It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests."
Reminds me of when the woman separated blue eyed people from brown eyed people and told others blue-eyed people weren't as smart and the brown eyed people started to agree with that.
Another professor stated, “We already know that, from a scientific point of view, the notion of race is meaningless. Genetic differences do not map on to traditional measurements of skin colour, hair type, body proportions and skull measurements. Now we have shown that IQ is meaningless too.”
So when I was a kid, we black people were told we could not coach or play quarterback, could not be an engineer(today I have engineers in the family. (was just visiting one in his new home in Hollyhock in Frisco), or even write an award winning article.
When I was a senior in high school my white English teach refused to give me a grade on a paper because, wait for it, she didn't think I wrote it. No doubt she had some preconditioned ideas about intellect. I would love to see her today and talk about that, and how I would go on to publish in major publications and have my work earn me an WGA authorized agent. Another person from my school, one of the poorest in the state at that time, grew up with books that were 5 years old that came from the white schools when they were finished with them, who could only go to the state fair on one day, negro day, who overcame all the pitfalls of racism, having to start the race at the goal line while others started the race at the 20 yard line, he caught them and passed them and today is a Texas state Senator.
No matter how much people fishtail around the topic IQ describes or correlates with everything from "intelligence" - especially spatialization skills and complex abstract thought, to educational attainment, to income better than any other single metric. I bet you a penny there is not a single MD in the country with an IQ under 100. FWIIW the highest IQ cadres in the world are physicists and MDs in a virtual tie. In other words we can pretend, as the professors you quoted imply, that a kid with and IQ of 85 can become a nuclear physicist - when anyone with a shred of honesty and understanding of reality knows that can't happen.
For sure "IQ" and the like have been misused for all kinds of awful reasons. That does not mean there is no merit to learning more about the topic. The only thing shameful about this topic is pretending it doesn't matter. More knowledge and understanding always trumps less knowledge and understanding.
And to close the IQ angle is gaining traction not losing traction.
Always worried when I see such qualifiers Apparently it is a university most people have never heard of. And even in its Wikipedia page, it is mentioned to be known for a conservative bent!
The above relevant only because the post seems to go against much of what is in the public domain- that men without college degrees (using this as an approximation for IQ, with its issues) more likely to be conservative, versus men with.
According to Edison research this election college educated men voted for republicans 51-47%. We've been talking about men.
I'm generally a contrarian thinker. Much common knowledge/public domain/current momentum thinking is significantly wrong or incomplete - pop quiz rank the these states highest to lowest in terms of real poverty, Texas, California, New York - virtually no one aside from economists get it right, because you know public domain and all.
So far as Brunel it is mostly an engineering and hard sciences school. Frankly, it has a lot in common with UTD.
According to Edison research this election college educated men voted for republicans 51-47%. We've been talking about men.
I'm generally a contrarian thinker. Much common knowledge/public domain/current momentum thinking is significantly wrong or incomplete - pop quiz rank the these states highest to lowest in terms of real poverty, Texas, California, New York - virtually no one aside from economists get it right, because you know public domain and all.
So far as Brunel it is mostly an engineering and hard sciences school. Frankly, it has a lot in common with UTD.
I think everyone should have a healthy skepticism of economists, it's a pseudoscience at best.
We're wading into Stormfront territory with "IQ test" convo and the like.
1.) I don't think Neanderthal DNA would make you taller. The original humans that left Africa (haplogroup L3, where everyone not African...and some Africans descend from) were taller and leaner than Neanderthals. NDT's were short, broad and thickly built. Not well suited to stalking prey. The Africans used tools to greater effect and ended up thriving. Obviously there was some intermingling with NDT's but the Homo Sapiens are mostly what's left standing.
2.) IQ tests can be helpful when measuring within a population of people that have had the same educational opportunities and access. However, it's not very helpful when comparing people with vastly different cultures. Measuring "intelligence" is similar to measuring "athleticism." What would you consider athletic?: Someone that can power-clean 400 lbs and squat 3x their body weight; someone with a 40" vertical leap that can run a sub 10.5-sec 100m dash; a person that can swim like Michael Phelps? IQ tests aren't useless but it's never a good idea to draw major conclusions from them.
3.) Conservative vs. Liberal and levels of Masculinity? I mean, what is more masculine......a conservative guy that works with his hands, drives a truck and owns guns or a soft-spoken liberal professor that is trained in Muay Thai and could beat the brakes off the conservative guy? If I can whoop your ***, it doesn't really matter if you're more "manly" than I am does it?
People in large cities tend to be liberal because there's a natural desire to share when living in a more communal space. You see and experience a wide range of people and look at decisions in terms of 'the greater good.'
People in rural areas tend to be conservative because you're more likely to be geographically/socially isolated. Your identity is formed through self-reliance because there's literally no-one else around to help you.
No matter how much people fishtail around the topic IQ describes or correlates with everything from "intelligence" - especially spatialization skills and complex abstract thought, to educational attainment, to income better than any other single metric. I bet you a penny there is not a single MD in the country with an IQ under 100. FWIIW the highest IQ cadres in the world are physicists and MDs in a virtual tie. In other words we can pretend, as the professors you quoted imply, that a kid with and IQ of 85 can become a nuclear physicist - when anyone with a shred of honesty and understanding of reality knows that can't happen.
For sure "IQ" and the like have been misused for all kinds of awful reasons. That does not mean there is no merit to learning more about the topic. The only thing shameful about this topic is pretending it doesn't matter. More knowledge and understanding always trumps less knowledge and understanding.
And to close the IQ angle is gaining traction not losing traction.
The Average IQ in India is 82, but my Doctor who was born there, but hes a pretty ******* bright guy. Are you going to say "Yeah, well, people in India are pretty dumb on average, your doctor just happens to be one of the smart ones" No, the data clearly shows a broad correlation between IQ and educational achievement/ opportunities.
Just looking at the list proves that wealthier countries with better education produce higher IQs. I think it's totally possible to go from an IQ of 85 to over 100 with education. The Average IQ of people in Nigeria is 82. I bet you the Average IQ of people of Nigerian decent in the States is at or above our National Average.
MDs and and Physicists have high IQs, but how much of that is the education and how much of that is natural ability? You need both.
To me relying on IQ gets wayyy to close into the good old Racist Eugenics of the past century.
No matter how much people fishtail around the topic IQ describes or correlates with everything from "intelligence" - especially spatialization skills and complex abstract thought, to educational attainment, to income better than any other single metric. I bet you a penny there is not a single MD in the country with an IQ under 100. FWIIW the highest IQ cadres in the world are physicists and MDs in a virtual tie. In other words we can pretend, as the professors you quoted imply, that a kid with and IQ of 85 can become a nuclear physicist - when anyone with a shred of honesty and understanding of reality knows that can't happen.
For sure "IQ" and the like have been misused for all kinds of awful reasons. That does not mean there is no merit to learning more about the topic. The only thing shameful about this topic is pretending it doesn't matter. More knowledge and understanding always trumps less knowledge and understanding.
And to close the IQ angle is gaining traction not losing traction.
Consider this statement
Those who believe they are smart, and who have "proof,"(the IQ score) will push themselves to live up to those expectations. Those who don't may be haunted by their score, and convinced that they are doomed to a life of mediocrity. And if you believe it, you can achieve it (or in this case, you don't achieve it because you believed the low IQ score).
Condition, environment has been show in studies to produce significant differences. A study by researchers at Columbia and Northwestern Universities suggests that poverty and early learning opportunities account for the gap in IQ scores. Poverty alone, the researchers found, accounted for 52 percent of that difference, cutting it to 7 points. Controlling for the children's home environment reduced the difference by another 28 percent, to a statistically insignificant 3 points -- in essence, eliminating the gap altogether.
We like to believe humans are so different to the point of appearing to be from different planets. There are cultures hundreds of years behind in development, which is a time constraint. When you bring Africans to America, over time their so-called IQ improves to the point they can one day be smart enough to play quarterback, or if you are fortunate enough to be exposed to the same conditions, a black man could be one of the first to perform open-heart surgery in the United States in 1893, which a man named Daniel Hale Williams did do.
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Apparently it is a university most people have never heard of. And even in its Wikipedia page, it is mentioned to be known for a conservative bent!
