Will Dallas ever be Texas' 2nd biggest city again? (Houston: apartments, condos)

[dallasboi]

Dallas' growth is Ft.Worth's growth.....Ft.worth's growth is Dallas' growth.....We are one blob of development now since every new person will interact in both cities. They would enjoy and spend money in both cities...which would increase the Joined GDP.....We are one area...no matter what happens going into the future.

Oh...and once they build the freeway loop around Dallas and Ft.Worth together it will definitely solidify it as one.

[shimmy42]

Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj

Neither is San Antonio though.

honestly the rankings of the cities does not matter like that if anything dallas has more industries than san antonio

[rynetwo]

Originally Posted by thenewtexan

Won't happen. SA keeps annexing land, and expanding the city limits. So many people still moving here, not just from out of state, but from Austin for obvious reason$. Combine that with the fact that those areas being annexed are the same distance from downtown SA as Dallas' suburbs are from Downtown Dallas.

San Antonio will not be able to annex any more land due to Austin passing strict annexation requirements.

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Again, no one will ever mistake San Antonio for being larger. Clearly, San Antonio is focusing on suburban growth with all the annexations. Dallas not being able to annex additional land is an advantage. It will help create more infill development and additional density. It’s already happening...

If you did a little research you would realize this is not true.

[nickbuck]

Who cares? City proper population is such a useless way to measure the economic and cultural might of a geographical area. It's too influenced by the legal boundaries of the city.

Houston sits at 669 square miles and 2.3MM people.

Dallas at 385 square miles and 1.3MM people. If we expanded the boundaries of Dallas proper and annexed Arlington, Plano, Irving, and Garland we'd be bumped up to 679 square miles and 2.4MM people. Larger than Houston and the new 4th biggest city in America.

[brock2010]

No Dallas won't be the second largest city again but will be the largest metro in the state for the foreseeable future and that carries more weight anyway.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by nickbuck

Who cares? City proper population is such a useless way to measure the economic and cultural might of a geographical area. It's too influenced by the legal boundaries of the city.

Houston sits at 669 square miles and 2.3MM people.

Dallas at 385 square miles and 1.3MM people. If we expanded the boundaries of Dallas proper and annexed Arlington, Plano, Irving, and Garland we'd be bumped up to 679 square miles and 2.4MM people. Larger than Houston and the new 4th biggest city in America.

Houston is actually at 599 square miles of habitable land and comes in at 2.4M. Besides, the urban core of Houston is growing faster than the urban core of Dallas, and the urban area is doing the same. This means, Houston is becoming more dense faster.

[Dallas12]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Besides, the urban core of Houston is growing faster than the urban core of Dallas, and the urban area is doing the same. This means, Houston is becoming more dense faster.

I'm interested in knowing your sources of information. Not questioning your knowledge on the matter; rather, it's for me to learn.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Dallas12

I'm interested in knowing your sources of information. Not questioning your knowledge on the matter; rather, it's for me to learn.

American Fact Finder Census: https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

[dch526]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

American Fact Finder Census: https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...xhtml?src=bkmk

Yea, you don't get urban core density info from that website. Urban Cores are broken down by Census Tracts where several different tracts incorporate each of the downtown areas and only updated at the time of each Census.

Here's a good website to really get into the details from the 2010 Census
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You do get Census 2010 numbers and estimated 2018 numbers from the Census website though.

Both cities have become more dense with large amounts of development within the urban core.

Houston has gone from 3501/sq.mi. to 3,878/sq.mi. a density increase of 377

Dallas has gone from 3517/sq.mi. to 3,950/sq.mi. a density increase of 432

However, if you just want to compare inside the loop to inside the loop then Houston probably has gotten denser but that's kind of cherry picking the data.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by dch526

Yea, you don't get urban core density info from that website. Urban Cores are broken down by Census Tracts where several different tracts incorporate each of the downtown areas and only updated at the time of each Census.

Here's a good website to really get into the details from the 2010 Census
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You do get Census 2010 numbers and estimated 2018 numbers from the Census website though.

Both cities have become more dense with large amounts of development within the urban core.

Houston has gone from 3501/sq.mi. to 3,878/sq.mi. a density increase of 377

Dallas has gone from 3517/sq.mi. to 3,950/sq.mi. a density increase of 432

However, if you just want to compare inside the loop to inside the loop then Houston probably has gotten denser but that's kind of cherry picking the data.

No you can get urban cores by searching via zip codes. It's up to date as of 2017 numbers and breaks down demographic data. The search bar is literally right at the top and tells you what you can search by.

What boundaries were you looking at when searching for urban cores on the site you referenced because if it's just the downtown freeway loop, then that's not the urban core for EITHER city.