Dallas vs. Houston (Arlington, Galveston, The Woodlands: hotel, neighborhood, theater)

[LOK222]

Originally Posted by socketz

I think your picking an fight here pal.

I'm just playin man..

we all choose what we like and it's all good! I'll bring ya a beer when we fish how 'bout that. then we can argue over beers!

[socketz]

Originally Posted by LOK222

I'm just playin man..

we all choose what we like and it's all good! I'll bring ya a beer when we fish how 'bout that. then we can argue over beers!

No doubt that there are tons of excellent choices here...

Maybe that's a belssing and a curse.

[GoPadge]

Originally Posted by NewYorkcapitaloftheworld

I got my stats from here http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...b07-51tbl2.pdf , and i was talking about changes from 2000-2006,

Your original statement was close. Last year Houston added 6,456 more people than Dallas. I'll pulled the data you linked into Excel and took a look at the annual and overall changes

Pop. Rank..MSA......07/01/2006..07/01/2005..07/01/2004..07/01/2003..07/01/2002..07/01/2001..07/01/2000..03/01/2000...Net Gains
in 2006.............................................. .................................................. .Census......2000-2006
4..........DFW.......6,003,967...5,823,043...5,694 ,788...5,585,715...5,478,438...5,353,277...5,197,3 15...5,161,544
..Annual % increase......3.11%.......2.25%.......1.95%....... 1.96%.......2.34%.......3.00%.......0.69%......... .........16.32%
..Annual Numeric gain..180,924.....128,255.....109,073.....107,277. ....125,161.....155,962.....35,771................ ..842,423

6..........Houston...5,539,949...5,352,569...5,232 ,777...5,116,724...5,001,272...4,863,865...4,742,1 59...4,715,407
..Annual % increase......3.50%.......2.29%.......2.27%....... 2.31%.......2.83%.......2.57%.......0.57%......... .........17.49%
..Annual Numeric gain..187,380.....119,792.....116,053.....115,452. ....137,407.....121,706......26,752............... ..824,542

..Population
(Dallas - Houston) =...464,018.....470,474.....462,011.....468,991... ..477,166.....489,412.....455,156.....446,137
..Annual Increase
(Dallas - Houston) =....-6,456.......8,463......-6,980......-8,175.....-12,246......34,256.......9,019..................17 ,881

The top section is pretty self explanitory, the bottom shows Dallas - Houston figures. Positive numbers represent years where Dallas leads Houston. Negative numbers show where Houston leads Dallas. The average trend from 2000 - 2006 yeilds about 3,000 more per year for Dallas, though there are a number of individual years where Houston leads.

Originally Posted by NewYorkcapitaloftheworld

it looks like your stat of N. Texas adding more than 240k more that Houston is based on REGIONAL numbers rather than metro areas.

That 240K more was based on the Texas Council of Government's districts and not the Census MSA's. To be fair I checked the differences. The NCTCOG distict includes:

Palo Pinto.27,026
Erath......33,001
Hood.......41,100
Sovervell...6,809
Navarro....45,124

But not Delta.5,327

For total of 147,733 more people than the DFW MSA.

The Houston-Galveston Area Council includes:

Colorado...20,390
Matagorda..37,957
Walker.....61,758
Wharton....41,188

But not San Jacinto.22,246

For a total of 139,047 more people than the Houston MSA.

The net difference is 8,686 more people listed in North Texas than should have been in that 240k number. But Dallas still has the edge in population growth between 1990 - 2000 and between 2000 - 2006.

[NewYorkcapitaloftheworld]

you got too much time, lol, I dont know if you were trying to prove me wrong?

[NewYorkcapitaloftheworld]

You can have the 15 or so thousands more people that dallas gained over the past six years, but you know that trend can change, if it actually matters. 300k or 400k more people that Dallas has does not make a difference at all. You got to remember that six million people yall have is spread over 3 very large cities, while in Houston the 5.6 million we have is spread over and around ONE city. First of all Houston is a coastal city which alone puts it way ahead of DFW. The most important cities in the world are coastal cities or are linked to the ocean in some way, New York, LA, Chicago(Great Lakes, access to ocean), London, Tokyo, Sydney ...etc. Dallas people always like to talk about their airport and how much busier it is, well Houston HAS A PORT! 6th largest in the world! The foreign cars you drive in dallas come from Houston. For some reason Dallas people love to brag about the population advantage, when they them selves know its not really important. Dallas is important in IT, but houston is the capital of an entire industry! energy capital of the world. I'm sorry I had to rant, but I just get annoyed when people have to put numbers in EXCEL and post em just to prove Dallas is slightly bigger, lol, i just dont understand it.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by NewYorkcapitaloftheworld

The most important cities in the world are coastal cities or are linked to the ocean in some way, New York, LA, Chicago(Great Lakes, access to ocean), London, Tokyo, Sydney ...etc.

Well, Paris, Moscow, Johannesburg, Beijing, Sao Paolo, Berlin, Madrid, Milan, Geneva, Mexico City, Santiago, Brussels, Vienna, etc., are also important world cities, and like Dallas, they are not coastal, do not have seaports.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by NewYorkcapitaloftheworld

Dallas is important in IT, but houston is the capital of an entire industry! energy capital of the world.

Dallas has a very generalized, diverse economy, whereas Houston is very specialized to one industry. But that is bad for Houston, not good.

In the same vein, Chicago has a diversified economy whereas Detroit has a specialized industrial economy. Which one is better off?

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by NewYorkcapitaloftheworld

You can have the 15 or so thousands more people that dallas gained over the past six years, but you know that trend can change, if it actually matters. 300k or 400k more people that Dallas has does not make a difference at all. You got to remember that six million people yall have is spread over 3 very large cities, while in Houston the 5.6 million we have is spread over and around ONE city.

Sorry, but it's a winner-take-all world. Yes, Dallas is slightly more populous than Houston, but Dallas' advantage over Houston as a regional capital is based upon that slight advantage.

It's like saying that the winning racehorse was just a little bit faster than the second place horse, so it doesn't matter.

Dallas is essentially a regional capital of the South Central USA, but Houston is not a capital city, just an industrial center.

Houston spread over ONE city? You mean one municipal government, not city. But it is true that the DFW area has a multiplicity of urban centers, whereas Houston has only one. But that's bad, not good. Los Angeles and NYC are in the same nodal configuration as Dallas, to their credit.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by aceplace

Dallas has a very generalized, diverse economy, whereas Houston is very specialized to one industry. But that is bad for Houston, not good.

In the same vein, Chicago has a diversified economy whereas Detroit has a specialized industrial economy. Which one is better off?

And what is that one specialized industry of Houston? I'm dying to hear you say it so that I may prove you wrong.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by aceplace

Sorry, but it's a winner-take-all world. Yes, Dallas is slightly more populous than Houston, but Dallas' advantage over Houston as a regional capital is based upon that slight advantage.

It's like saying that the winning racehorse was just a little bit faster than the second place horse, so it doesn't matter.

Dallas is essentially a regional capital of the South Central USA, but Houston is not a capital city, just an industrial center.

Houston spread over ONE city? You mean one municipal government, not city. But it is true that the DFW area has a multiplicity of urban centers, whereas Houston has only one. But that's bad, not good. Los Angeles and NYC are in the same nodal configuration as Dallas, to their credit.

(And I echo your statement to NewYorkcapital) Where are you getting this from?