Glory Park In Arlington (Dallas, Miami: crime, hotel, neighborhoods)

[rosscountry]

Is anyone as excited as I am about Glory Park in Arlington?
It looks like a sports fan's/shopper's paradise to me.
I see fun times a head for the metroplex.

http://www.arlingtontx.gov/business/...ion_053007.pdf

[Lakewooder]

Arlington will have to wait for Glorypark development near stadiums | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Latest News

"Arlington's half-billion dollar answer to Victory Park has been put on hold because of the troubled financial and retail markets, billionaire Tom Hicks said Wednesday..."

[rosscountry]

a sign that the economies issues is affecting DFW

[portorro]

That stadium should have been IN Dallas. What a pitty our politicians did not have a greater vision about the intangibles of this investment. Now its located 40 minutes away from Dallas. Why are we so afraid of densification in this city??

[bw87a]

^^ i agree. it's all about the sprawl and the suburb. not the city.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by portorro

That stadium should have been IN Dallas. What a pitty our politicians did not have a greater vision about the intangibles of this investment. Now its located 40 minutes away from Dallas. Why are we so afraid of densification in this city??

I think you have the wrong question.

It should be "why is Jerry Jones afraid of densification"? He had no intention of putting it in Dallas, because he couldn't play the Dallas politicians as well as he could the Arlington ones.

Actually, I disagree with your basic view. I think the stadium should not be in Dallas. Essentially, massive buildings such as stadia really destroy the urban fabric of their surroundings, because they monopolize public use of a neighborhood. That's why Fair Park is surrounded by ghetto. I do, however, believe the thing should be in a place that is accessible to transit, so people won't have to wait an hour in a line of cars to get to a freeway on-ramp. It's going to be infinitely easier to leave the Texas-OU game in the old Cotton Bowl stadium via DART rail than driving out of Arlington.

Another advantage of the Cotton Bowl over Jerryville is the State Fair itself. People won't leave the area right away, but will hang around to enjoy the fair, and gradually drift away. In Arlington, everybody will try to leave at once, because there's nothing else to do. Yes, Glorypark was supposed to be a natural buffer, to try to give people a reason to stay around and leave on a more gradual schedule, but GloryPark won't happen. At least not soon.

If Jerry was able to raise a billion dollars to build a stadium, he should have been able to put some entertainment outside of it. Instead of letting the stadium be in the middle of nowhere.

[Eric Fred Norris]

as a part time arlington resident, this has turned into a great deal for us

city is only footing less than a third of the price tag. big time events already scheduled. being built in a part of the city that used to be crime ridden and run down. sparking needed upgrades in roads and highways.

a real blessing, its been. and not a single game has been played yet.

[portorro]

Actually, I disagree with your basic view. I think the stadium should not be in Dallas. Essentially, massive buildings such as stadia really destroy the urban fabric of their surroundings,

How can you destroy a what you even call a ghetto? Or do you want to preserve a the urban fabric of a ghetto? I think a stadium in this part of town could have been a great economic and aesthetic development.

because they monopolize public use of a neighborhood.
Hence my point, by having Fair Park, a stadium and the surrounding neighborhood, we could have a achieved densification in this area, that could have complemented (not monopolized) the public use of a neighborhood and its public transportation system.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by portorro

Actually, I disagree with your basic view. I think the stadium should not be in Dallas. Essentially, massive buildings such as stadia really destroy the urban fabric of their surroundings,

How can you destroy a what you even call a ghetto? Or do you want to preserve a the urban fabric of a ghetto? I think a stadium in this part of town could have been a great economic and aesthetic development.

because they monopolize public use of a neighborhood.
Hence my point, by having Fair Park, a stadium and the surrounding neighborhood, we could have a achieved densification in this area, that could have complemented (not monopolized) the public use of a neighborhood and its public transportation system.

In many studies of urban development, it has been found that massive buildings with basically a single use do not create development on the periphery, they do not encourage it. Ross Perot Jr developed Victory on the periphery of the AAC mostly because he had to, and today we see that Victory is not doing that well. The shops are underpatronized and the second hotel was put on hold.

GloryPark is yet another example of this phenomena.

You may have missed my point. I say that the massive monopolizing influence of Fair Park depressed the value of land and neighborhoods on its periphery and created the ghettos we see.

[portorro]

If these projects can be tied (complement) to the existing neighborhood there is no reason to believe that they will not create development. They encourage public transportation development/use, multi-use infrastructure and secondary industries. If what you say were true, cities would be discouraged to create sports venues within the city. And neighborhoods surrounding them would be "ghettos". Is that the case in Chicago? New York? Miami? Seattle?