Segregation problem in Dallas or not??? (Arlington, Plano: 2009, apartment complex, low crime)

[Moth]

Originally Posted by lpepping

Dallas deceptively white? In certain areas yes but not as a whole. I guess it just depends on what area you live in.

I think you are missing the meaning of my statement. Take another look and you will see that we are probably in agreement.

[lpepping]

Originally Posted by Moth

I think you are missing the meaning of my statement. Take another look and you will see that we are probably in agreement.

Yes I guess we agree it is obviously diverse but I just didn't see it as being deceptively white at all. Thats all. Maybe it is because I have lived here for a long time.

[Moth]

Originally Posted by lpepping

Yes I guess we agree it is obviously diverse but I just didn't see it as being deceptively white at all. Thats all.

Its just the first impression, which obviously does not last. Perhaps influenced by exaggerated images of cowboys and the like.

[compSciGuy]

Originally Posted by KittySkyfish

Intense, you started this thread asking if "segregation was a problem in Dallas or not". Maybe to you segregation means that there is an overrepresentation of whites and an underrepresentation of minorities, but asking if we're segregated can be interpreted like you're asking if we still uphold Jim Crow laws or are actively keeping minorities out.

I suggest that you move to an area that you can afford and that offers the best commute, conveniences and educational programs that you can find, regardless of local diversity. Bottom line: cities that lack diversity need minorities to move in. If minorities can afford a home in a town that is less diverse but closer to work and they choose to live further away because the demographics are more appealing, they're not helping the situation. By avoiding 'white' towns, those towns stay white.

Just my .02.

Maybe some of the home buyers remember growing up in these ultra-white areas, and don't want to subject their kids to all the extra BS they got because of their race. Maybe they have relatives who grew up in these white areas and saw many of them hating their own race and espousing a "white is right" superiority mentality, ... and may not want to deal with that. Maybe, just maybe, ... there may be any number of reasons why they would prefer not to move to some other areas if a little inconvenience for something more likely better for their particular situation is available.

[kdogg817]

Does Dallas have a segration problem maybe or maybe not, but what I do know is Blacks tend to move to the southern suburbs and whites tend to move to northern subrubs. It all comes down to income level and where you prefer to stay and the quality of the schools these days I believe. Quite honestly those minorties that are middle class have a choice on where they prefer to stay and those areas are usually diverse areas that have good schools.

[killer2021]

Originally Posted by intense

Lookin to relocate from the midwest. Lots of segregation here! Just want to know is that an issue in Dallas??? Interested on a nice neighborhood with friendly people who will except a loving AA family with kids. Has to have good schools and diversity is a MUST!! Any suggestions????? Please respond!!

IMO there isn't any segregation. The segregation that does occur is because there is a) people who can afford to move to safe areas and b) people who can't afford to move to safe areas and have to live in violence.

Notice that all of south dallas areas are incredibly affordable relative to north dallas. There is a reason for that. Generally very affordable areas attract poverty stricken people and unfortunately they bring lots of problems with them. People don't want to live with those problems.

[KittySkyfish]

Originally Posted by compSciGuy

Maybe some of the home buyers remember growing up in these ultra-white areas, and don't want to subject their kids to all the extra BS they got because of their race. Maybe they have relatives who grew up in these white areas and saw many of them hating their own race and espousing a "white is right" superiority mentality, ... and may not want to deal with that. Maybe, just maybe, ... there may be any number of reasons why they would prefer not to move to some other areas if a little inconvenience for something more likely better for their particular situation is available.

Then they can choose to live in areas that are ethnically more appealing to them. But that just goes back to my original comment - white neighborhoods can't be diverse if minorities are not comfortable moving in. They need to at least try to give our neighborhoods a chance instead of basing their decisions on other people's experiences. Comparatively, would it be right for me to mistrust minorities because someone else I know had a bad experience with them?

Moth, I agree with you that many areas are deceptively white. If one is focusing on one particular race, then they are missing out on the other minorities all around. We have an overrepresentation of asian ethnicities in the northern Dallas cities, when compared to the U.S. population. For example, the asian population rate for the US is 4%, but in Plano it's 10%. In nearby Murphy it's 13%.
And those of middle eastern or Arab descent are divided up into the White and Other populations by the Census Bureau, making the statistics posted here not quite representational. White percentages of Plano are, just maybe (lol), not nearly as Eurocentric as the White percentages in small, isolated towns in the middle of West Virginia.

From the Census Bureau's website:

“White” refers to people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race or races as “White” or wrote in entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.

A good website to look up demographics in North Texas by zip code is the North Central Texas Council of Governments website.
Census 2000 - NCTCOG.org

[intense]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Does Dallas have a segration problem maybe or maybe not, but what I do know is Blacks tend to move to the southern suburbs and whites tend to move to northern subrubs. It all comes down to income level and where you prefer to stay and the quality of the schools these days I believe. Quite honestly those minorties that are middle class have a choice on where they prefer to stay and those areas are usually diverse areas that have good schools.

First of all..... probably need to use a better choice of words, like African American. (Happen to be brown skin) I agree that people are going to live in areas that they can afford, however, there are a large amount of people that want to live in areas were they/their children can at least surround themselves with SOME people that may look like them or at least have same culture background.....as you may have in your predominantly "white" neighborhood!! Agree with Compskiguy...most just don't want to deal with the extra BS if your the only (or close to only) AA in town... especially not my children!! This is reason for forum... looking for DIVERSITY in deceit community with goods schools. My husband and I make pretty good money so may can afford to live in places like Plano or Highland but seems like doesn't fit my description above!!!! Key word DIVERSITY!!!

[intense]

Originally Posted by killer2021

IMO there isn't any segregation. The segregation that does occur is because there is a) people who can afford to move to safe areas and b) people who can't afford to move to safe areas and have to live in violence.

Notice that all of south dallas areas are incredibly affordable relative to north dallas. There is a reason for that. Generally very affordable areas attract poverty stricken people and unfortunately they bring lots of problems with them. People don't want to live with those problems.

I disagree, not only two reasons why people choose to live where they live.... pay attention to response given to kdogg817!

[intense]

Originally Posted by compSciGuy

Maybe some of the home buyers remember growing up in these ultra-white areas, and don't want to subject their kids to all the extra BS they got because of their race. Maybe they have relatives who grew up in these white areas and saw many of them hating their own race and espousing a "white is right" superiority mentality, ... and may not want to deal with that. Maybe, just maybe, ... there may be any number of reasons why they would prefer not to move to some other areas if a little inconvenience for something more likely better for their particular situation is available.

You couldn't have explained it better!! I grew up in several neighborhoods as a child in what seem to be all "white." (especially in Missouri) Talk about racism and racial slurrs...I just remember those days so clearly that I would never want to subject my kids to that kind of behavior. Can that happen in any neighborhood??? Of course, but why increase the risk by planting them in a environment that is/will be more likely to occur!!
I do understand that this is now 2008 so things may be a little different but sadden to say, not too much change in those neighborhoods that lack diversity!!