Are People in Dallas Really More Snotty than People in Houston?? (Denton: real estate, ob-gyn)

[AK123]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

The DFW metro area has over 500,000 more people than Houston and is growing faster.

The population and growth differences are, well, hardly differences right now. Not even worth mentioning because they're so similar.

Originally Posted by theloneranger

By the way, according to the Globalization and World Cities study of Loughborough University, which is one of the most widely used measures of which cities are world class. Dallas is a "Beta" world city and Houston is a "Beta minus" world city. Neither city is in the the range culturally of the three largest in the United States.

I know what list you're talking about, and it seems to change all the time. Again, in this sense any differences between the two are barely worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by theloneranger

Houston in no way humbles Dallas. The cities are very, very similar culturally and in amenities, but Dallas has always been the more cosmopolitan city and Houston the more working-class town.

If they're so similar in amenities, culture, shopping, restaurants etc. how is it that Dallas has class while Houston doesn't, as you say? With more foreign consulates, Houston is probably the more international city of the two. It also has the 2nd largest theatre district in the country and ranks 3rd in fine arts museum space. It's one of a handful of cities with all the major arts programs. How is it not cosmopolitan? Because it has Channelview and Baytown next door? Manhattan NY has large blue-collar areas next door. Having blue-collar areas nearby doesn't make a city any less cosmopolitan or translate into the whole metro being "working class." Also last time I checked, Houston's largest employer was actually the Texas Medical Center.

You seem to suffer from a case of Dallitude.

[AK123]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Arlington vs. Katy? East Dallas vs. Montrose?

Sorry, I'm just not seeing it...Arlington is easily 5 times the size of Katy & Montrose is predominately a gay/lesbian area.

Here is my little analysis for what its worth after having lived in/spent a great amount of time in both places.

Sugar Land is to Plano
New Territory is to The Colony
Pearland is to Frisco
The Woodlands is to McKinney
Spring is to Allen
Conroe/Huntsville/Madisonville is to Denton/Gainesville
Clear Lake is to Grapevine
Missouri City is to Duncanville, Desoto, Cedar Hill
Montrose is to Oaklawn
Katy is to Grand Prairie
Pasadena is to Arlington
Tomball is to Forney
Cypress is to Murphy

This is pretty good.

Except for the tiny little fact that the Woodlands is basically in a huge pine forest. And that Clear Lake is a coastal area with one of its attractions being waterfront homes and resort-style living.

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by AK123

The population and growth differences are, well, hardly differences right now. Not even worth mentioning because they're so similar.

Obviously. However, raymond's original post insisted that Houston was twice as large as Dallas and that Phoenix was a larger and more important city than Dallas. While this is true accounting only for municipal population, it's patently false when it comes to the entire urban area, which is far larger than Phoenix and is larger than Houston.

Originally Posted by AK123

I know what list you're talking about, and it seems to change all the time. Again, in this sense any differences between the two are barely worth mentioning.

Again, you're isolating my post and attacking it rather than comparing it to the post I was responding to. Raymond's original post was utter nonsense, and it was to that I was pointing the fact, not at the city of Houston as a whole. I completely agree there is little difference between "Beta" and "Beta Minus."

Originally Posted by AK123

If they're so similar in amenities, culture, shopping, restaurants etc. how is it that Dallas has class while Houston doesn't, as you say? With more foreign consulates, Houston is probably the more international city of the two. It also has the 2nd largest theatre district in the country and ranks 3rd in fine arts museum space. It's one of a handful of cities with all the major arts programs. How is it not cosmopolitan? Because it has Channelview and Baytown next door? Manhattan NY has large blue-collar areas next door. Having blue-collar areas nearby doesn't make a city any less cosmopolitan or translate into the whole metro being "working class." Also last time I checked, Houston's largest employer was actually the Texas Medical Center.

You seem to suffer from a case of Dallitude.

I have no problem with having Dallatude--part of Dallas' charm is that her people are proud of her and care so deeply for her. I wouldn't say that urbandictionary article is necessarily accurate--I don't think the majority of Dallasites are overly critical or try to live beyond their means. However they like the way things are in their city and don't mind pointing it out to others.

The people in Dallas make a big impact. Dallas' people WANT the city to have a cosmopolitan feel and want the city to feel classy. That's not to say many of Houston's don't, but I think this attitude is more common in Big D than it is in H-Town. Dallas is also slightly more established as a major city--Houston was long in Galveston's shadow, while Dallas has dominated North Texas for almost 150 years.

I wouldn't say that Houston has no class, just that Dallas has more. Again, this is entirely my opinion and you can obviously refute it. I think that Dallas' population is more accepting of differences and of the city's cultural amenities. Houston certainly has lots of amenities and lots of upscale areas, but the city's economic focus has always been on heavy industry, in contrast to the administrative, IT and financial focus that has characterized Dallas. The TMC may be the largest single employer, but the largest industry in Houston has been oil refining for a long time and likely will continue to do so.

However, as I have spent all of my time in Houston as a visitor and all of my time in Dallas as a native, I obviously have a different perspective on the cities than you--feel free to comment from your perspective.

[raymondm]

I'm sticking to my guns, dallas people are more snotty, I don't think its hard to see. We can compare the cities all day and never agree because dallas people think their city is the best and houston people think the same. But. When it comes to people dallas people are just stuck up, and prejudice. Is it me or everytime there is an issue with race or a cop, the story is coming from dallas or the north texas are? I've lived in houston, baton rouge, new orleans, dallas, and rockwall. Dallas and rockwall gave me the worst experience and the people attitude sucks, this is from my experience. I understand if I was in new york and the people attitude are snotty, I'm not saying its right but new york is one of the greatest cities in the world, I mean you have a right to.

But people from rockwall and dallas are snotty because...... they have no reason to its nothing out there to be stuck up about or snotty. Here's an example of what I'm talking about from an experience I had, because I don't want people think I'm just bashing for no reason. This happened during the day, I was a young man at the time, and I'm black, well I went to an apartment complex gym that I lived in and paid rent at. I walked in thinking. I'm going to hit the treadmill and knock out a couple miles, I see this white lady on the other side working out and were the only people in there. At the time I didn't notice and didn't think anything of it, so I'm get started running but I can see in the corner of my eye that white lady was just staring at me. I didn't say anything and kept running, and she was sill staring so at this point I just thought I was using the machine wrong and slowed down. Then the next thing I know she, she asked me "can you leave, I don't feel comfortable with you in here", when I heard that I was in such utter shocked I left and was speechless and torn apart by that. I couldn't believe people are really like that, so yeah I'm not bashing for no reason, the sad part about is I have a lot more stories like that, that I experienced in rockwall and dallas alone.

[raymondm]

I'm sticking to my guns, dallas people are more snotty, I don't think its hard to see. We can compare the cities all day and never agree because dallas people think their city is the best and houston people think the same. But. When it comes to people dallas people are just stuck up, and prejudice. Is it me or everytime there is an issue with race or a cop, the story is coming from dallas or the north texas are? I've lived in houston, baton rouge, new orleans, dallas, and rockwall. Dallas and rockwall gave me the worst experience and the people attitude sucks, this is from my experience. I understand if I was in new york and the people attitude are snotty, I'm not saying its right but new york is one of the greatest cities in the world, I mean you have a right to.

But people from rockwall and dallas are snotty because...... they have no reason to its nothing out there to be stuck up about or snotty. Here's an example of what I'm talking about from an experience I had, because I don't want people think I'm just bashing for no reason. This happened during the day, I was a young man at the time, and I'm black, well I went to an apartment complex gym that I lived in and paid rent at. I walked in thinking. I'm going to hit the treadmill and knock out a couple miles, I see this white lady on the other side working out and were the only people in there. At the time I didn't notice and didn't think anything of it, so I'm get started running but I can see in the corner of my eye that white lady was just staring at me. I didn't say anything and kept running, and she was sill staring so at this point I just thought I was using the machine wrong and slowed down. Then the next thing I know she, she asked me "can you leave, I don't feel comfortable with you in here", when I heard that I was in such utter shocked I left and was speechless and torn apart by that. I couldn't believe people are really like that, so yeah I'm not bashing for no reason, the sad part about is I have a lot more stories like that, that I experienced in rockwall and dallas alone.

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by raymondm

I'm sticking to my guns, dallas people are more snotty, I don't think its hard to see. We can compare the cities all day and never agree because dallas people think their city is the best and houston people think the same. But. When it comes to people dallas people are just stuck up, and prejudice. Is it me or everytime there is an issue with race or a cop, the story is coming from dallas or the north texas are? I've lived in houston, baton rouge, new orleans, dallas, and rockwall. Dallas and rockwall gave me the worst experience and the people attitude sucks, this is from my experience. I understand if I was in new york and the people attitude are snotty, I'm not saying its right but new york is one of the greatest cities in the world, I mean you have a right to.

But people from rockwall and dallas are snotty because...... they have no reason to its nothing out there to be stuck up about or snotty. Here's an example of what I'm talking about from an experience I had, because I don't want people think I'm just bashing for no reason. This happened during the day, I was a young man at the time, and I'm black, well I went to an apartment complex gym that I lived in and paid rent at. I walked in thinking. I'm going to hit the treadmill and knock out a couple miles, I see this white lady on the other side working out and were the only people in there. At the time I didn't notice and didn't think anything of it, so I'm get started running but I can see in the corner of my eye that white lady was just staring at me. I didn't say anything and kept running, and she was sill staring so at this point I just thought I was using the machine wrong and slowed down. Then the next thing I know she, she asked me "can you leave, I don't feel comfortable with you in here", when I heard that I was in such utter shocked I left and was speechless and torn apart by that. I couldn't believe people are really like that, so yeah I'm not bashing for no reason, the sad part about is I have a lot more stories like that, that I experienced in rockwall and dallas alone.

This post makes me want to quote a certain scene from the movie "Billy Madison," but I think I will refrain. Instead I will try to break down what you've said into something clear and understandable.

So basically because you had a bad experience with one or two of the 6.4 million people in the Metroplex you have decided that all Dallasites are "just stuck up, and prejudice." But you think that even though New York is just as, if not far more, snotty, because "you have a right to" it's okay.

It's difficult to understand your post, but that's what I got out of it. And to take a couple of personal experiences and use them to describe the fourth largest metropolitan area in the country is quite frankly, preposterous.

[portyhead24]

Originally Posted by AK123

If they're so similar in amenities, culture, shopping, restaurants etc. how is it that Dallas has class while Houston doesn't, as you say? With more foreign consulates, Houston is probably the more international city of the two. It also has the 2nd largest theatre district in the country and ranks 3rd in fine arts museum space. It's one of a handful of cities with all the major arts programs. How is it not cosmopolitan? Because it has Channelview and Baytown next door? Manhattan NY has large blue-collar areas next door. Having blue-collar areas nearby doesn't make a city any less cosmopolitan or translate into the whole metro being "working class." Also last time I checked, Houston's largest employer was actually the Texas Medical Center.

I agree pretty much with what you say here about Dallas and Houston. In all honesty I though I don't see one city being clearly more of anything as far as culture or being cosmopolitan goes. I do see arguments go round the other way though, where Houstonians talk about how cosmo and far beyond their city is as compared to Dallas They seem to suffer with their own form of Dallitude. Anyway I've said it once and I'll say it again, the two cities have more in common than how they differ. I don't see why people just don't embrace the fact that we have not only one but 2 internationally recognized cosmopolitan cities.

[portyhead24]

Originally Posted by raymondm

But. When it comes to people dallas people are just stuck up, and prejudice.

You do realize this statement is prejudiced unto itself? Just askin.



Let's take this statement and make an example of it.

But. When it comes to people (gay/straight/white/black/mexican/Dallas/Houston/Arabic/european/ugly/fat/lazy, etc.) people are just (stupid/ugly/annoying/lazy/no good/prejudice, etc.), and (clueless/violent/terrorist/egocentric/prejudice, etc.).

See what I mean?

[raymondm]

Please let's stop acting like you don't understand my post. I see that a lot on here when someone makes a valid point, people start acting like the post is just so hard to read as if they just wrot e it in a different language. Please don't quote stupid movies on here, and please don't be little my experience, by the way it wasn't just 3 or 4 bad experiences. I wouldn't be complaining then, let's try 20-30 experiences I've had with snotty, racist people in that area. I'm not saying their right , but I'm going to break it down for you. In basketball terms, its just the la clippers being snotty, and the la lakers being snotty. The lakers have a reason to be snotty, clippers do not, you get my drift?

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by raymondm

Please let's stop acting like you don't understand my post. I see that a lot on here when someone makes a valid point, people start acting like the post is just so hard to read as if they just wrot e it in a different language. Please don't quote stupid movies on here, and please don't be little my experience, by the way it wasn't just 3 or 4 bad experiences. I wouldn't be complaining then, let's try 20-30 experiences I've had with snotty, racist people in that area. I'm not saying their right , but I'm going to break it down for you. In basketball terms, its just the la clippers being snotty, and the la lakers being snotty. The lakers have a reason to be snotty, clippers do not, you get my drift?

That post was poorly written and very difficult to understand. I did try to interpret it as well as possible but I wanted to make sure I didn't get your meaning wrong.

I have noticed that you are contradictory. You insist that suburbs don't matter yet when you cite negative experiences you jump right down Rockwall's throat. Rockwall isn't terribly reflective of Dallas as a whole, and if you haven't lived there recently the town has undergone a lot of change from being a largely rural area to a large suburb. I'm sorry if you experienced some snotty and racist people there, but I can assure you that the majority of Dallasites aren't snotty or racist. If you noticed that the vast majority of people were "snotty" to you or "racist," perhaps the problem just isn't coming from their end.

And around here, it's better to make football references. The Dallas Cowboys have been one of the most successful teams in NFL history, the Houston Texans have not. Does that give the Cowboys the right to be "snotty?" I don't think so--I think that regardless of success or fame, humility is a necessary virtue for people to have.