Is Dallas a better place to live than Austin? (Houston: crime rate, house)

[hstfan82]

Originally Posted by artsyguy

He he ha ha ..... see another person agrees with my amazing opinions.

My only difference is that I believe Austin to be one of the most craptacular cities to live in unless you're a conservative roughneck.

Artsyguy, why is it apparently your mission in life to dump all over Austin, especially when you make sh** up? Let me explain:

Travis County went for Obama by 33 points over McCain. Oh, and Austin also must be a mecca for conservative "roughnecks" because it was the ONLY COUNTY IN TEXAS to reject the state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. To suggest that Austin is somehow not gay friendly despite this evidence is just absurd.

[hstfan82]

Source: http://www.co.travis.tx.us/county_cl...iles/cume1.pdf

[artsyguy]

What's your point? Politics is two faced BS. We know that through U.S. history. Just open up a history book. IE: The Grandfather Clause. LOL.

I know people who voted for same-sex marriages or against the ban and they consider themselves liberal yet they look down on gays and see them in an inferior light <contradictory?>. One of the comments made by a so-called democrat was "Eww how can gay guys have butt sex". Same sex marriage also brings in a lot of revenue to the state. So they may have been seeing things in that point of view.

Also many people don't want to be associated with a completely out homosexual. It's just way too embarrassing. To a lot of people it is like being seen with a prostitute or a sex offender.

Austin has a lot of low class roughnecks in my opinion. Bad attitude almost everywhere there.

I'm not talking about Dallas or Houston. Those are completely different cities. They are conservative and religious in some parts but at least they allow the gay people their freedom, due respect, and space.

Originally Posted by hstfan82

Artsyguy, why is it apparently your mission in life to dump all over Austin, especially when you make sh** up? Let me explain:

Travis County went for Obama by 33 points over McCain. Oh, and Austin also must be a mecca for conservative "roughnecks" because it was the ONLY COUNTY IN TEXAS to reject the state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. To suggest that Austin is somehow not gay friendly despite this evidence is just absurd.

[hstfan82]

Originally Posted by artsyguy

What's your point? Politics is two faced BS. We know that through U.S. history. Just open up a history book. IE: The Grandfather Clause. LOL.

I know people who voted for same-sex marriages or against the ban and they consider themselves liberal yet they look down on gays and see them in an inferior light <contradictory?>. One of the comments made by a so-called democrat was "Eww how can gay guys have butt sex". Same sex marriage also brings in a lot of revenue to the state. So they may have been seeing things in that point of view.

Also many people don't want to be associated with a completely out homosexual. It's just way too embarrassing. To a lot of people it is like being seen with a prostitute or a sex offender.

Austin has a lot of low class roughnecks in my opinion. Bad attitude almost everywhere there.

I'm not talking about Dallas or Houston. Those are completely different cities. They are conservative and religious in some parts but at least they allow the gay people their freedom, due respect, and space.

To take the points in reverse order:
I'm well aware of what Dallas is like as I live here. To suggest that Dallas offers gay people "their freedom, due respect, and space" but that somehow Austin does not requires some empirical data especially since, as mentioned above, Austin has a record of being more tolerant to homosexuality than Dallas. That's not to say Dallas is intolerant towards gays and lesbians, but if a higher percentage of them vote to reject a ban on same sex marriage, as happened in 2006, then it follows that he Austin area, generally speaking, is more tolerant of gays and lesbians than the Dallas area. It certainly makes the notion that Austin would only be liked by conservative roughnecks (your words) a joke. To say something to the contrary now requires evidence, of which you fail to offer. Anecdotes of annonymous people do not substitute for real world data. If you are so sure that Austin doesn't give gays their freedom, you need to produce some evidence showing that the % of hate crimes is higher in Austin than other major cities in Texas.

I was in Austin last week and I do not deny that there are "country" people living around Austin, but as a percentage of the population they are in a relatively small number or else voting patterns would be dramatically different. I am originally from Oklahoma and know that country people are generally not huge Obama supporters, nor are they likely to vote against a same-sex marriage ban. Also, which would you rather have, a minority of "country" people or a large minority of gangsters and their admirers? Which brings me to my point that crime is way lower in Austin than Dallas or Houston. I'll be happy to provide evidence if you seriously want to dispute this point.

To suggest that Austinites voted against the same sex marriage ban to raise state revenue is ludicrous, and a testament to how far you will go to not let facts get in the way of you bashing a city that obviously let you down in some way. This, of course, is consistent with their voting patterns in Presidential elections, which means more evidence for my argument. This suggestion would only be the least bit plausible if you could produce evidence showing a high correlation between capitals of conservative states and support for same sex marriage in relation to the other cities in the state of approximately the same size.

Yes, people can be hypocritical when it comes to politics. That is in no way positive evidence to support your assertion Austin is nothing but a haven for "conservative roughnecks." You could use that argument to argue against anyone with evidence about anyting about any city with regard to the general views and attitudes of its citizens. It is not evidence and thus can be dismissed without evidence.

[artsyguy]

It's impossible to quantify major social issues with the measly bit of empirical data that you have. It is also hard to make a single conclusive theory. The only empirical data you have are voting trends. And not every single soul in Travis county voted therefore it is inaccurate. Inaccurate hate crime trends don't really help either. Hate crimes don't account for discrimination (unfair treatment) against gays in all other areas because it is incredibly difficult to prove. And most all discriminators are not going to admit to hating or treating gays differently. It is not PC to admit to disliking or disapproving of gays. The same way nobody is going to admit openly to disliking or disapproving of blacks or Mexicans and their culture.

A chunk of people voted against the ban. Big deal. Most Texas gay men don't give a flying flart about same-sex marriage. It's a joke to most of the gays in Texas.

Originally Posted by hstfan82

To take the points in reverse order:
I'm well aware of what Dallas is like as I live here. To suggest that Dallas offers gay people "their freedom, due respect, and space" but that somehow Austin does not requires some empirical data especially since, as mentioned above, Austin has a record of being more tolerant to homosexuality than Dallas. That's not to say Dallas is intolerant towards gays and lesbians, but if a higher percentage of them vote to reject a ban on same sex marriage, as happened in 2006, then it follows that he Austin area, generally speaking, is more tolerant of gays and lesbians than the Dallas area. It certainly makes the notion that Austin would only be liked by conservative roughnecks (your words) a joke. To say something to the contrary now requires evidence, of which you fail to offer. Anecdotes of annonymous people do not substitute for real world data. If you are so sure that Austin doesn't give gays their freedom, you need to produce some evidence showing that the % of hate crimes is higher in Austin than other major cities in Texas.

I was in Austin last week and I do not deny that there are "country" people living around Austin, but as a percentage of the population they are in a relatively small number or else voting patterns would be dramatically different. I am originally from Oklahoma and know that country people are generally not huge Obama supporters, nor are they likely to vote against a same-sex marriage ban. Also, which would you rather have, a minority of "country" people or a large minority of gangsters and their admirers? Which brings me to my point that crime is way lower in Austin than Dallas or Houston. I'll be happy to provide evidence if you seriously want to dispute this point.

To suggest that Austinites voted against the same sex marriage ban to raise state revenue is ludicrous, and a testament to how far you will go to not let facts get in the way of you bashing a city that obviously let you down in some way. This, of course, is consistent with their voting patterns in Presidential elections, which means more evidence for my argument. This suggestion would only be the least bit plausible if you could produce evidence showing a high correlation between capitals of conservative states and support for same sex marriage in relation to the other cities in the state of approximately the same size.

Yes, people can be hypocritical when it comes to politics. That is in no way positive evidence to support your assertion Austin is nothing but a haven for "conservative roughnecks." You could use that argument to argue against anyone with evidence about anyting about any city with regard to the general views and attitudes of its citizens. It is not evidence and thus can be dismissed without evidence.

[hstfan82]

The burden of proof does not fall on me. It falls on the individual who claims that only "conservative roughnecks" are happy in Austin. Just because the vote doesn't give an individual by individual account of attitudes in a place, does not mean it does not approximately reflect the general attitudes of the population. If you are correct and nothing can be derived from voting patterns, then we can nothing about any city in particular with regard to the attitude and beliefs of its citizens. One could say that a religous homophobe would be happier in San Francisco and according to you, there's no way to use data to argue with that. This is obviously a ridiculous argument.

[hstfan82]

What evidence do you want to see and what would convince you that you are wrong.

[hstfan82]

If Austin is only good for conservative roughnecks, why do conservatives around Austin and throughout the state refer to it as "The People's Republic of Austin." What is more likely, that everyone, regardless of their political beliefs, has a misconception of Austin, or that you and Aceplace have some personal issue with Austin that motivates you to make the city out to be a terrible place to live, which almost no one besides you two thinks? I think the answer is clear. You should just say Dallas is better in some ways, Austin is better in some ways and be done with it.

[artsyguy]

I never said a gay dude would hate living in Austin. There are many straight acting, traditional, sports loving, masculine gay dudes not looking to be part of a bigger gay or liberal community that will love Austin,Texas. Most gay dudes in Austin keep their gayness on the down-low and aren't really into gay dating. They're more into one night stands. That way nobody will ever guess they are OMG "homosexual". OMG.

Originally Posted by hstfan82

The burden of proof does not fall on me. It falls on the individual who claims that only "conservative roughnecks" are happy in Austin. Just because the vote doesn't give an individual by individual account of attitudes in a place, does not mean it does not approximately reflect the general attitudes of the population. If you are correct and nothing can be derived from voting patterns, then we can nothing about any city in particular with regard to the attitude and beliefs of its citizens. One could say that a religous homophobe would be happier in San Francisco and according to you, there's no way to use data to argue with that. This is obviously a ridiculous argument.

LMAO Austin is not better in any ways imo. It's just my opinion and yes it is a personal issue. I can understand "The People's Republic of Austin" just like People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the collectivism that comes along with that type of political ideology.

I never said I was a democrat either. So I don't really care what they vote on.

Originally Posted by hstfan82

If Austin is only good for conservative roughnecks, why do conservatives around Austin and throughout the state refer to it as "The People's Republic of Austin." What is more likely, that everyone, regardless of their political beliefs, has a misconception of Austin, or that you and Aceplace have some personal issue with Austin that motivates you to make the city out to be a terrible place to live, which almost no one besides you two thinks? I think the answer is clear. You should just say Dallas is better in some ways, Austin is better in some ways and be done with it.

Originally Posted by hstfan82

What evidence do you want to see and what would convince you that you are wrong.

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by artsyguy

He he ha ha ..... see another person agrees with my amazing opinions.

My only difference is that I believe Austin to be one of the most craptacular cities to live in unless you're a conservative roughneck.

I did not know there were any rigs anywhere near Austin so this is an interesting assertion.