Census: D-FW adds more residents than any other U.S. metro area (Houston: neighborhoods, gardens)

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by DWong

Maybe I'm a bit confused, but how does one consider a city approaching 1 million in population in the coming future a suburb?

Municipal Fort Worth AND municipal Dallas are suburbs of DFW. Metro DFW is an "Urb", and a muniicipality within the Urb is a SUB urb, or subdivision.

This definition avoids the problem of deciding which municipalities are dependent on, or subordinate to, others.

[aceplace]

To add to the discussion...

I have never seen Dallas, or Fort Worth, for that matter. I have, however, seen streets and buildings that people claim to be "within" those places.

Why haven't I seen Dallas or Fort Worth? Because they have no physical existence, they are governments, ficticious persons if you will, something that exists only on paper. The state of Texas has created something called Fort Worth that empowers people to govern, control, tax, run for office, etc. Fort Worth is no more real than that.

What does have a tangible, physical presence, however, is the sum total of the buildings, roadways, traffic, people and commerce of the metro area. It is important to consider, in the same way that the Dallas or Fort Worth city governments are not relevant to consider.

[kdogg817]

Originally Posted by aceplace

To add to the discussion...

I have never seen Dallas, or Fort Worth, for that matter. I have, however, seen streets and buildings that people claim to be "within" those places.

Why haven't I seen Dallas or Fort Worth? Because they have no physical existence, they are governments, ficticious persons if you will, something that exists only on paper. The state of Texas has created something called Fort Worth that empowers people to govern, control, tax, run for office, etc. Fort Worth is no more real than that.

What does have a tangible, physical presence, however, is the sum total of the buildings, roadways, traffic, people and commerce of the metro area. It is important to consider, in the same way that the Dallas or Fort Worth city governments are not relevant to consider.

Ace if you have never seen Dallas or Fort Worth some of your responses are not valid. In order to have a feel of the metroplex you have to live here and understand how the metro area operates. Anyone that lives here would tell you that both cities are very important to the regions future. No one on this forumn it denying Dallas dominance in the region, but all your claims about Fort Worth are false. Even Dallasites don't agree with you. Fort Worth has 9 fortune 500 companies (Radio Shack, Pier 1 , American Airlines etc), metro area of 2 million, city limits approaching 1 million, not mention the city of Fort Worth is vital to the United States military (bell helicopter, Lockheed,etc) the city of Fort Worth has 9 billionaires with in its city limits. One of the fastest growing cities with a population of over 500,000, one of the safest and most livable cities in the United States. Not to mention the Texas Motor Speed Way, Rangers, and Cowboys all are in close proximity of Fort Worth.

[D-Towner]

I think it would be cool if some major league sports teams were Located in Fort Worth, then the area could be like NY and LA by having two teams for some sports.

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Ace if you have never seen Dallas or Fort Worth some of your responses are not valid. In order to have a feel of the metroplex you have to live here and understand how the metro area operates. Anyone that lives here would tell you that both cities are very important to the regions future. No one on this forumn it denying Dallas dominance in the region, but all your claims about Fort Worth are false. Even Dallasites don't agree with you. Fort Worth has 9 fortune 500 companies (Radio Shack, Pier 1 , American Airlines etc), metro area of 2 million, city limits approaching 1 million, not mention the city of Fort Worth is vital to the United States military (bell helicopter, Lockheed,etc) the city of Fort Worth has 9 billionaires with in its city limits. One of the fastest growing cities with a population of over 500,000, one of the safest and most livable cities in the United States. Not to mention the Texas Motor Speed Way, Rangers, and Cowboys all are in close proximity of Fort Worth.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Ace if you have never seen Dallas or Fort Worth some of your responses are not valid.

I didn't mean it that way, kdogg... I have never seen Dallas because it is a government, a fictitious person, not an object that has mass and reflects light. It's a person because it can own property, enter into contracts, and sue and be sued in a court of law. It is fictitious because it has no physical existence, only a legal one.

Yes, I've seen municipal buildings and politicians inside the Dallas city limits, and I've seen buildings and cars and people on the corner of Main and Akard, but I've never seen a government. Governments do not reflect light that is perceptibleto the human eye.

The point I am advancing... the metro area, as a collection of buildings, people, money, and traffic, in a relatively small space, is real, has a basis in physical reality. Municipalities such as Dallas or Fort Worth are inconsequential figments of human creation.

[blueseas123]

Originally Posted by D-Towner

I'm glad to know that DFW is the best, but do we really want people flocking here from other parts of the country so that more and more developments spring up and transform our towns with even more sprawl and compete with longtime locals for jobs?

Seriously. for a while there I kept seeing out of state license plates and I'm just puzzled. Who's the hell is still hiring?! Honestly, I just heard Lockheed is laying off hundreds of people today. My uncle works at IBM and he told me they have laid off his whole floor plus hundreds more and he's one of a few survivors. I cant tell you of how many of my recently graduated college friends are looking for jobs and cant find them. I'm just at a loss for words as to how people keep moving here and that they're getting jobs. My only guess is they're being paid very little.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Anyone that lives here would tell you that both cities are very important to the regions future

I don't think so. If the State of Texas rescinded the municipal charters of Fort Worth and Dallas, and charged the counties with providing municipal services like police, fire, garbage, etc., nothing would really change.

The Dallas City Council has little if any influence on the economic or cultural development of the metro area.

San Francisco, California is not really a municipality, it is actually a county. It does not have a city council, it has what is called a county board of supervisors. Well, it does have a mayor... probably because they'd feel awkward without one.

Did you know that the Las Vegas Strip is not under a municipality, not in the City of Las Vegas? It is in an unincorporated area of McCarran county.

If Fort Worth was dissolved, and its functions replaced by Tarrant County, then places like Arlington and North Richland Hills would in fact be suburbs.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

Fort Worth has 9 fortune 500 companies (Radio Shack, Pier 1 , American Airlines etc), metro area of 2 million, city limits approaching 1 million, not mention the city of Fort Worth is vital to the United States military (bell helicopter, Lockheed,etc) the city of Fort Worth has 9 billionaires with in its city limits. .

No, you're mistaken. FW does not have any Fortune 500 companies. It has lots of police cars, it owns many buildings and lots of land, and has lots of employees providing mundane but necessary services. But it does not own any corporations.

I think Bell Helicopter or Lockheed would do just fine if Fort Worth were to be dissolved by the State of Texas for some reason. The US military would still buy helicopters and jets from Bell and Lockheed if Fort Worth was legally disincorporated.

It's not that Fort Worth owns the billionaires, rather that the billionaires own Fort Worth.

[D-Towner]

Originally Posted by aceplace

No, you're mistaken. FW does not have any Fortune 500 companies. It has lots of police cars, it owns many buildings and lots of land, and has lots of employees providing mundane but necessary services. But it does not own any corporations.

I think Bell Helicopter or Lockheed would do just fine if Fort Worth were to be dissolved by the State of Texas for some reason. The US military would still buy helicopters and jets from Bell and Lockheed if Fort Worth was legally disincorporated.

It's not that Fort Worth owns the billionaires, rather that the billionaires own Fort Worth.

[eastdallasson]

aceplace you're takin this concept a little too far, lets leave the philosophy out