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Old 04-27-2009, 09:33 AM
 
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I think one aspect people have not really considered in comparing the two cities would be their historial background...from my undertstanding...
Chicago was begun much earlier and was a viable centerpoint for trade that required real infrastructure much earlier than Dallas was...the era when Chicago went through the fire frankly allowed it to compensate for such damage by building with a unified plan and that happened when urban living allowed street cars and required walking...the automobile was not the mode of transportation...
Dallas started in an entirely different context/era and as such as evolved into a different city...
because of the Western heritage and types of business here--ranching/farming vs commercial trade--people were more dependent on their horses for transportation initially and that evolved into using the auto...
choosing the auto over mass transit worked because people needed to be able to go places that mass transit didn't...Dallas was pretty backwater town for years (some people would still say it is not very forward looking/planning even now) and just did not have the money/commerce/population that Chicago did...
makes a difference...
but Dallas county is so far ahead of Tarrant county with its mass transit planning/involvement--which is really a shame because the people of Tarrant could use a decent mass transit system
Thank you love2read. It is pretty easy to forget about looking into a city's history when considering a relocation. It can really add to a city's charm or lack there of. Thank you for reminding us about this perspective.
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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Metro DFW is the 4th largest metro in the USA. Actually, only Chicago, LA and NYC are more popular than Dallas. Effectively, Dallas has 2/3 the population of Chicago.

How and why has Dallas grown its population? It has demonstrated to the nation that in many ways, it is more desirable as a location than its competitors. In the ways that are important to people, Dallas is a better destination than anywhere else.

The cost of housing is a plus, but that cost is just a symptom of a better overall economy. And a better overall economy is a symptom of a more advanced civilization that can improve the quality of life for its people, in any and all ways that are important.

Thus, Dallas has swelled its population by attracting masses of people from throughout the USA and the world. Many more people move from Chicago to Dallas than the other way around, for example.

Can a metro with almost 7 million people such as DFW offer more opportunity and more culture than a small metro of a couple of million? Of course it can. It can offer better everything, because the good things that a city contains are produced by its people, and a larger population, especially one in a growing metro, are an advantage in two ways, at least.

First of all, by the law of averages, a person with a lot of talent, or a group with an interesting role, is statistically more likely to be found in a larger population nexus.

Second, the people who are adventurous to move are usually more creative and capable than the stay-at-homes, and DFW has been built on its migrants.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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Metro DFW is the 4th largest metro in the USA. Actually, only Chicago, LA and NYC are more popular than Dallas. Effectively, Dallas has 2/3 the population of Chicago.

How and why has Dallas grown its population? It has demonstrated to the nation that in many ways, it is more desirable as a location than its competitors. In the ways that are important to people, Dallas is a better destination than anywhere else.

The cost of housing is a plus, but that cost is just a symptom of a better overall economy. And a better overall economy is a symptom of a more advanced civilization that can improve the quality of life for its people, in any and all ways that are important.

Thus, Dallas has swelled its population by attracting masses of people from throughout the USA and the world. Many more people move from Chicago to Dallas than the other way around, for example.

Can a metro with almost 7 million people such as DFW offer more opportunity and more culture than a small metro of a couple of million? Of course it can. It can offer better everything, because the good things that a city contains are produced by its people, and a larger population, especially one in a growing metro, are an advantage in two ways, at least.

First of all, by the law of averages, a person with a lot of talent, or a group with an interesting role, is statistically more likely to be found in a larger population nexus.

Second, the people who are adventurous to move are usually more creative and capable than the stay-at-homes, and DFW has been built on its migrants.
Thanks Aceplace! I like when fellow city-datians post useful, insightful, and fun information/opinons like yours. I think this is the kind of input most are looking for when they are researching "city data."
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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frankly the role of the creation of the DFW airport in early 70s--midway between Dallas and Fort Worth can't be overestimated---of course neither city can really claim credit for such great foresight since it was the FAA's ultimatum that make the choice unavoidable...and because it had to be a "joint" airport to serve both cities there was really only one logical location given the state of growth/highway access at that time...

having American Airlines move headquarters from NYC and Chicago to Dallas (they say Dallas but it is in Tarrant county--again another marketing ploy brought to you by people who consider Dallas is better catch phrase than Fort Worth)...
once Dallas area had a viable international airport--which Love could never have been because of its location--it became a mecca for company relocations...it is about halfway across the southern US between east/west coasts---sits on several major highways (some of which were rerouted to get there) so that trucking/railroads/air have a confluence point...

IMO if San Antonio had gotten off its doofus and tried to make it self more open to outside investment in the 50s after WWII vs being content to be San Antonio--it could have really taken over TX -- but the leaders were content basically to be internal vs external...

but people did not spring up here like mushrooms...there had to be something to attract them...
having a transportation infrastructure was a significant aspect--banking industry was fairly strong here--but it was the transportation hub and then the semi-conductor industry that helped ...

if you consider Utah and Salt Lake City--there are people there who are not LDS connected but no one would be there if the Mormon church had not been basically evicted from almost every other area of the US it tried to settle in...Utah might have been a vision but it was also so isolated and barren that no one else wanted to live there (except maybe some Native Americans) so there was little competition...now many people love and seek to live in Utah because of its natural beauty and the isolation that is becoming a valued commodity in today's crowded world...

your stats don't hold up to all cities by size...check out Nashville--it is not that large but it certainly is a mecca for country music industry...
and don't think you could say the music industry in Houston is better than that of Austin--although Houston is certainly larger...
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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Its funny how you bring up DFW Airport...when in fact it lies in between both major cities and is not in either of them. The West side of the airport is in Tarrant County and the East side is is Dallas County..

We have this argument with people from northern states alot (that never been here). I work with the railroad and these people seem to this that DFW is one big city. And they believe DFW Airport sits right in DFW the big city.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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I think one aspect people have not really considered in comparing the two cities would be their historial background...from my undertstanding...
Chicago was begun much earlier and was a viable centerpoint for trade that required real infrastructure much earlier than Dallas was...the era when Chicago went through the fire frankly allowed it to compensate for such damage by building with a unified plan and that happened when urban living allowed street cars and required walking...the automobile was not the mode of transportation...
Dallas started in an entirely different context/era and as such as evolved into a different city...
because of the Western heritage and types of business here--ranching/farming vs commercial trade--people were more dependent on their horses for transportation initially and that evolved into using the auto...
choosing the auto over mass transit worked because people needed to be able to go places that mass transit didn't...Dallas was pretty backwater town for years (some people would still say it is not very forward looking/planning even now) and just did not have the money/commerce/population that Chicago did...
makes a difference...
but Dallas county is so far ahead of Tarrant county with its mass transit planning/involvement--which is really a shame because the people of Tarrant could use a decent mass transit system
Its safe to say Dallas forced Fort Worth to get involved in mass transit. It would look quite pathetic for one half of the metroplex to have mass transit and the other half did not. The Fort Worth area Transporation Authority had two choices let Dallas Area Transit expand into Tarrant County or start building tracks. Fort Worth may be behind but Dallas will force Fort Worth to catch up.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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Thanks Aceplace! I like when fellow city-datians post useful, insightful, and fun information/opinons like yours. I think this is the kind of input most are looking for when they are researching "city data."
lets not forget, the #1 reason why people move to DFW is simple simple simple.

1. It's cheap
2. followed by jobs and business friendly environment

OUtside of those 2, the draw isn't much else.
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:27 PM
 
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lets not forget, the #1 reason why people move to DFW is simple simple simple.

1. It's cheap
2. followed by jobs and business friendly environment

OUtside of those 2, the draw isn't much else.
Isn't that what you want in a community? DFW offers more than just that.
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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Isn't that what you want in a community? DFW offers more than just that.
Absolutely. Yes it does OFFER more than that, but it's not the draw like the other reason are. If DFW was just as pricy as any comparable metro or had a tough job market - the growth would be average.
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Old 04-27-2009, 06:40 PM
 
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Absolutely. Yes it does OFFER more than that, but it's not the draw like the other reason are. If DFW was just as pricy as any comparable metro or had a tough job market - the growth would be average.
Not so... the Chicago people who moved to Dallas mostly cite the improved weather as their reason for moving. If it hadn't been for the climate, they'd have stayed in Chicago.

As I say, the lower costs of living in Dallas are a symptom of its superior economic culture, and its superior economic culture is a symptom of its generally superior overall level of civilization. California's economic collapse is a symptom of its overall level of collective insanity, as evidenced by the AB32 law trying to ban carbon dioxide. As if California was not part of the world weather system and bathed in carbon dioxide emissions from China and India.

Since Dallas is approaching 7 million people, slightly more populous that the San Francisco-San Jose consolidation, there aren't very many comparable metros to compare to Dallas.
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