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Old 04-28-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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Wow, I've never seen someone care so much about how much their in-laws (in another city and state keep in mind) pay in taxes to support public transport. LOL
1 penny a sale.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Wow, I've never seen someone care so much about how much their in-laws (in another city and state keep in mind) pay in taxes to support public transport. LOL
LOL!!! Public transportation that if they were in need and could not walk, see, etc they could call up DART and someone would pick them up at their doorstep and deliver them to their doctors appointment and bring them back home.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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DART.org - DART On-Call
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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Wow, I've never seen someone care so much about how much their in-laws (in another city and state keep in mind) pay in taxes to support public transport. LOL
Something interesting here:

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Well, never been to Austin, but DFW and SA. NOt long enough to get a feel, but just to check it out.
Surely this goes into the "Things that make you go, hmm" file. Oh, and that post was only done last May of 2008. My, my, my.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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HEE!

Since even 2007 the ridership for DART has increased dramatically.

BTW, it is now 2009
It could be 2030... it still isn't going to work.. Ask anyone who took Planning 101
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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HEE!

Since even 2007 the ridership for DART has increased dramatically.

BTW, it is now 2009
Ridership is about equal to the increase in population.. would you call that a victory?

Which is why % ridership is the stat used for grasping a real number.

gotta read into the #'s
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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It could be 2030... it still isn't going to work.. Ask anyone who took Planning 101
WTH does that mean. DART IS working and working efficiently. I see the buses and trains every single day as I LIVE HERE!!! They are PACKED! The parking lots for the buses and trains are PACKED and overflowing. DART and the area cities are having to expand parking lots at the park and rides. DART is expanding into all of the area cities that participate and the people in those communities are EAGERLY awaiting to be able to catch a train closer to home.

Again and again we have proven you wrong and you still keep trying to twist things your own way and still get shot down and proven wrong. Those of us that actually LIVE HERE know a wee bit more ACCURATE information.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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DWong, when BART began operating in 1972, only 17000 riders used the system each day.

You should look at archive photos of the outskirts of Manhattan, the Bronx and Brooklyn 100 years ago where new IRT and BMT lines were the only things standing in what is otherwise farmland and grassy field.

When metro areas reach a certain size, people need more than just cars to move around effectively. Los Angeles realized this, as Dallas realized it. The coexistence of fixed, high capacity transportation alternatives to the car, and the cities they serve, are symbiotic relationships which grow together, allow for smarter, more concentrated development. Understand that the region you're thinking about is already the size in area of Greater Los Angeles (and almost in population). Once a place has reached a certain population, you can't realistically put everybody who wants to get from one place to the other onto just a shared road network and expect that they each will arrive at their destinations in a timely manner every day.

Do you remember what Walnut Creek looked like before BART, and do you care to compare today's city with what it would have looked like without its station? Do you notice it's considerably denser around the station itself? Why is that?
Not having visited Manhattan with regularity I'll take your word for that.

Again here we go.....

DFW is growing guess what.. out more than up. Look it up. Research new homes vs condo/apartments and see that it's not even close. The buildings fees for homes are nearly 8:1
DFW can grow as far out as it wants. It's not landlocked by any means.

Unlike LA/SF/NY ....
Most people can't afford car(s) bc it's so $$$ to live there.
Density density (why do i have to keep saying it...)

In whatever year BART or the NYC mass transit was put together you still had guess what... more than 3600 people to the sq mile.

Shalom my friends.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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1 penny a sale.
It's just for discussion and education for me and y'all..

it's more like free-lance research and writing for me
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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Ridership is about equal to the increase in population.. would you call that a victory?

Which is why % ridership is the stat used for grasping a real number.

gotta read into the #'s
Well give us those numbers then? What was the increase in population and what was the increase in ridership?

Yes, I call it a victory. That means that even the people moving into the area are willing to use mass transit as a means of transportation.

You have not given us any #'s And NO, an article from 2002 does not count.
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