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Old 06-15-2009, 01:05 PM
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Welcome home, mom, I was wondering where you were...yah I can't tell you how many times I have uttered the 'b' word under my breath while holding doors open for ladies in CA and other places.
I got chewed out by a woman at Laguardia Airport in New York for holding the door open for her. She said it was patronizing and she didn't need a man to hold the door open for her. And the OP thinks Dallas is pretentious?
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I got chewed out by a woman at Laguardia Airport in New York for holding the door open for her. She said it was patronizing and she didn't need a man to hold the door open for her. And the OP thinks Dallas is pretentious?
LOL OMG that is HILARIOUS!!
Don't give up on that door holding just because you met one idiot. I've noticed that holding the door open for someone had become just a courtesy now. I've held doors open for kids, women with kids, men with their hands full and even for some very surprised teenage boys and for just about anyone who is entering a building behind or next to me. It's not a gender based courtesy any more - just a human one.
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:33 PM
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LOL OMG that is HILARIOUS!!
Don't give up on that door holding just because you met one idiot. I've noticed that holding the door open for someone had become just a courtesy now. I've held doors open for kids, women with kids, men with their hands full and even for some very surprised teenage boys and for just about anyone who is entering a building behind or next to me. It's not a gender based courtesy any more - just a human one.
EXACTLY! I do the same thing and I ALWAYS say "Thank You" whenever someone holds the door open for me. I've also been teaching my kids to hold doors open for others and even notice an elderly person ahead or a mom w/ a stroller and tell my kids to run ahead and grab the door for them.
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:53 PM
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OP, you sound like the guy that keeps posting on the AR board about how much nicer everyone in Texas is compared to AR. He has nothing but negatives about how rude everyone here is...What a crock of @@@@..I never found people in Texas to be rude, almost everyone was overly nice, sure there were exceptions, some people are just always too busy to take time to be nice, but most of the people I met in Dallas (lived there 13 years) would bend over backwards to be nice.

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Old 06-15-2009, 02:09 PM
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Maybe it's the transplants from other places that are rude? I've heard that people who are actually from TX are very nice and that has been my experience.
One theory too is, sometimes when down-to-earth or working class people get a whiff of someone around them that's acting all high-and-mighty or that they are too good to be around real people, the real people will act all weird and rude in a joking way, just to mess with them (if that makes sense).
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:14 PM
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Are you talking about Dallas!
I have visited Dallas and have found people not only being nice but extremely helpful. Its an extremely clean city, I loved it. Will move there in a heart beat!
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:32 PM
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Did you forget that Dallas is a southern city? Southerners take time to adjust Look at the history of civil rights movement and particularly inter racial marriage which was a crime until 1967.
Southerners generally are wary of strangers and outsiders. It is a genetic trait of survival.It will take a lot more generations for the south to change, looking at the history patterns.
Texans are laid back, which in my opinnion may cancel out any pretensiousness.
May be something in your behavious shows clearly that you are a outsider



REFERENCE

Anti-miscegenation Laws enacted in the Thirteen Colonies and the United States

[edit] Anti-miscegenation laws repealed until 1887

StateFirst law passedLaw repealedRaces banned from marrying whitesNoteIllinois18291874BlacksIowa18391851BlacksKansas18551859BlacksLaw repealed before reaching statehoodNew Mexico18571866BlacksLaw repealed before reaching statehoodMaine18211883Blacks, Native AmericansMassachusetts17051843Blacks, Native AmericansPassed the 1913
law preventing out-of-state couples from circumventing their home-state anti-miscegenation laws
Michigan18381883BlacksOhio18611887BlacksLast state to repeal its anti-miscegenation law before California did so in 1948Pennsylvania17251780BlacksRhode Island17981881Blacks, Native AmericansWashington18551868Blacks, Native AmericansLaw repealed before reaching statehood

[edit] Anti-miscegenation laws repealed 1948-1967

StateFirst law passedLaw repealedRaces banned from marrying whitesNoteArizona18651962Blacks, Asians, Filipinos, IndiansFilipinos ("Malays") and Indians ("Hindus") added to list of "races" in 1931California18501948Blacks, Asians, FilipinosAnti-miscegenation law overturned by state judiciary in Supreme Court of California case Perez v. SharpColorado18641957BlacksIdaho18641959Blacks, Native Americans, AsiansIndiana18181965BlacksMaryland16921967Blacks, FilipinosRepealed its law in response to the start of the Loving v. Virginia caseMontana19091953Blacks, AsiansNebraska18551963Blacks, AsiansNevada18611959Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, FilipinosNorth Dakota19091955BlacksOregon18621951Blacks, Native Americans, Asians, Native HawaiiansSouth Dakota19091957Blacks, Asians, FilipinosUtah18521963Blacks, Asians, FilipinosWyoming19131965Blacks, Asians, Filipinos

[edit] Anti-miscegenation laws overturned on 12 June 1967 by Loving v. Virginia

StateFirst law passedRaces banned from marrying whitesNoteAlabama1822BlacksRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedArkansas1838BlacksRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedDelaware1721BlacksFlorida1832BlacksRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedGeorgia1750All non-whitesKentucky1792BlacksLouisiana1724BlacksRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedMississippi1822Blacks, AsiansRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedMissouri1835Blacks, AsiansNorth Carolina1715Blacks, Native AmericansOklahoma1897BlacksSouth Carolina1717All non-whitesRepealed during Reconstruction, law later reinstatedTennessee1741Blacks, Native AmericansTexas1837Blacks, FilipinosVirginia1691All non-whitesPrevious anti-miscegenation law made more severe by Racial Integrity Act of 1924West Virginia1863Blacks


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Laws forbidding inter-racial marriage:

In the US, miscegenation laws that restricted marriages on the basis of race were once enforced in most states. For example:
In the 1660s, Maryland became the first colony to prohibit interracial marriages. 1By 1750, all the southern colonies as well as Massachusetts and Pennsylvania made interracial marriages illegal. 1 For example, Virginia had a law stating that "All marriages between a white person and a colored person shall be absolutely void without any decree of divorce or other legal process." (Code Ann. A7 20-57)During the 1950s, half of the states still had laws prohibiting interracial marriage.By the early 1960's at least 41 states had enacted anti-miscegenation statutes at one time. 1in Maryland, when slavery was introduced in 1664, "the law also prohibited marriages between white women and black men.... between 1935 and 1967, the law was extended to forbid marriage between Malaysians with blacks and whites. The law was finally repealed in 1967." 2The first court to overturn an anti-miscegenation law was, predictably, the California Supreme Court in 1948. 3By 1967, 16 states still had anti-miscegenation laws in place.
"In case after case, legislation prohibiting racial inter-marriage was justified as unbending tradition rooting in received natural law." 1 For example, in 1869, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that:
"...moral or social equality between the different races...does not in fact exist, and never can. The God of nature made it otherwise, and no human law can produce it, and no human tribunal can enforce it. There are gradations and classes throughout the universe. From the tallest archangel in Heaven, down to the meanest reptile on earth, moral and social inequalities exist, and must continue to exist throughout all eternity." 4
The end of miscegenation laws: the Loving v. Virginia case:

In a most ironically named case "Loving v. Virginia," Richard and Mildred Loving -- an inter-racial married couple -- were arrested in the early morning of 1959-JUL-11 by police who entered into their bedroom. They had been married five weeks before in the adjacent District of Columbia. The couple pleaded guilty to a felony under Virginia's Racial Integrity Act of 1662. 5 They could have each received a 5 year prison term; instead, they were partly exiled from their home state for 25 years. Each was allowed to return to Virginia, but not together. The judge apparently ignored the principle of separation of church and state as well as the equal protection clause in the U.S. Constitution when delivering his decision. Part of his ruling stated:
"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races show that he did not intend for the races to mix."
Although often referred to as black, Mildred Loving regarded herself as a Native American of Rappahannock and Cherokee heritage. 5
Ms. Loving wrote to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy for help. He referred her to the American Civil Liberties Union who took the case. They lost at the Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals, but appealed to the US Supreme Court. In 1967, the court unanimously overturned the Virginia law and similar miscegenation laws of 15 other states. 6 Persons of different racial backgrounds have been able to marry throughout the US ever since.
Blogger Jack M. Balkin wrote:
"In Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court held that laws banning interracial marriage violated the Equal Protection Clause both because they violated principles of racial equality and because they abridged a fundamental right to marry. The case is doctrinally important for many reasons, including the Court's recognition that the Equal Protection clause protects certain fundamental rights, for its recognition of a fundamental right to marry, for its application of strict scrutiny to strike down racial classifications (an idea first raised in the Korematsu decision, which had nevertheless upheld the classification), and for its embrace of an anti-subordination as well as an an anti-classification model of race equality." 7
In 2007, on the 40th anniversary of the Loving decision, Mildred Loving released a statement dealing with the denial of the right to marry to persons because of their race and/or sexual orientation. 7 She wrote:
"My generation was bitterly divided over something that should have been so clear and right. The majority believed that what the judge said, that it was God's plan to keep people apart, and that government should discriminate against people in love. But I have lived long enough now to see big changes. The older generation's fears and prejudices have given way, and today's young people realize that if someone loves someone they have a right to marry."

"Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don't think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the 'wrong kind of person' for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people�s religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people�s civil rights."

"I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard's and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That's what Loving, and loving, are all about."
Mildred Loving died on 2008-MAY-02, having greatly influenced American culture by her refusal to tolerate racial bigotry and second-class citizenship.

The aftermath of Loving v. Virginia:

The laws and constitutions of some states still banned inter-racial marriages. However the decision by the Supreme Court annulled them. The state of South Carolina still had an anti-miscegenation law on the books as late as 1998, although it was not applied. As of 2000-OCT, only the state of Alabama still had a clause in its constitution prohibiting a black person or descendent of a black person from marrying a white person. The people of Alabama voted in the general special election of 2000-NOV-7 to delete the clause from their constitution. However the vote was narrow. Only 60% of voters supported the repeal.
It may be worth noting that a rapid change in the U.S. occurred over about four decades:
In 1948, about 90% of American adults opposed interracial marriage when the Supreme Court of California legalized it. 8In 1967, about 72% were opposed to interracial marriage. This was the year when the U.S. Supreme Court was legalized interracial marriage everywhere in the U.S. 9In 1991, those adults opposed to interracial marriage became a minority. 9Opposition dropped at about 1 percentage point per year between 1948 and 1991.

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Old 06-15-2009, 02:33 PM
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LOL OMG that is HILARIOUS!!
Don't give up on that door holding just because you met one idiot. I've noticed that holding the door open for someone had become just a courtesy now. I've held doors open for kids, women with kids, men with their hands full and even for some very surprised teenage boys and for just about anyone who is entering a building behind or next to me. It's not a gender based courtesy any more - just a human one.

Yeah bookworm what is really funny is when you get stuck at the door because there are so many people coming through and you are trying to 'gracefully' pass on the duty to the next man.
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:35 PM
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By the way, isn't expecting someone to thank you for such a miniscule favor as opening a door rude in and of itself? Just asking. If it ain't charity, then why should anyone be grateful? Perhaps, as a prodigious traveler, you'd know to accept and replicate the mores of the culture you're visiting rather than seek to enforce your own social norms from your own hometown on them.
Well we were taught to say 'thank you' so I guess it's just indicative of the lack of manners in the world today. It's not so much the ungratefulness as the dirty looks and worse - acting as though you do not exist.
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