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Old 07-13-2009, 03:17 PM
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How can anyone have a heart attack or break one's back shoveling snow? Now I can see working in the heat of Texas to cause one to have a heart attack or worse. It happens every year to many. If I'm not mistaking, heat causes the most weather related deaths than any other weather event.
Actually, you're mistaken. The incidence of cold-weather related deaths is many times that of the heat-related. And also, the population has become more and more heat-tolerant as global temperatures have risen this century.

There's a reason people take flu shots in the winter, not the summer.

The economist Bjorn Lomborg states that "In Europe as a whole, about 200,000 people die from excess heat each year. However, about 1.5 million Europeans die annually from excess cold. ". A study by Indur Golanky is more conservative; he puts the number of cold deaths at twice the heat deaths [http://www.csccc.info/reports/report_23.pdf])

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Old 07-13-2009, 03:36 PM
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Cold weather regions such as Colorado pose a significant risk to your life as compared to Texas. You're more likely to die from ischemic stroke or cardiovascular disease above the Oklahoma border.

The Feign paper I reference studies incidence of stroke in the Russian city of Novosibirsk, a place of extreme cold. This paper finds a statistically significant relationship between incidence of stroke and low temperatures. For ischemic stroke, there was a 32% increase in stroke over lower temperatures.

The Hong paper studied stroke in Inchon, Korea, with much the same results. They found a significant increase in ischemic stroke with just a moderate decrease in temperature, with the stroke occurring the day after the temperature drop, interestingly enough.

The Nafstad paper studied the effects of weather in Oslo, Norway. .They took advantage of the excellent set of Norwegian medical records and found a 15% increase in cardiovascular related deaths from October to March than in April to September.

The Jajat and Haines paper looked at the records for several London practices and found that the elderly see a doctor for cardiovascular-related complaints more often during the winter months than in the summer months.

The Green paper from Israel actually approximated the hot weather conditions we have here in the US Southwest... hot summers and mild winters. They found a 50% higher cardiovascular death rate in the winter months, albeit mild in temperature, compared to the blisteringly hot Negev summers. Other Israeli papers corroborate these results.

Feigin, V.L., Nikitin, Yu.P., Bots, M.L., Vinogradova, T.E. and Grobbee, D.E. 2000. A population-based study of the
associations of stroke occurrence with weather parameters in Siberia, Russia (1982-92). European Journal of
Neurology 7: 171-178.

Hong, Y-C., Rha, J-H., Lee, J-T., Ha, E-H., Kwon, H-J. and Kim, H. 2003. Ischemic stroke associated with
decrease in temperature. Epidemiology 14: 473-478.

Nafstad, P., Skrondal, A. and Bjertness, E. 2001. Mortality and temperature in Oslo, Norway. 1990-1995. European
Journal of Epidemiology 17: 621-627.

Hajat, S. and Haines, A. 2002. Associations of cold temperatures with GP consultations for respiratory and
cardiovascular disease amongst the elderly in London. International Journal of Epidemiology 31: 825-
830.

Green, M.S., Harari, G., Kristal-Boneh, E. 1994. Excess winter mortality from ischaemic heart disease and stroke
during colder and warmer years in Israel. European Journal of Public Health 4: 3-11.
Hajat, S. and Haines, A. 2002. Associations

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The Feign paper studies incidence of stroke in the Russian city of Novosibirsk, a place of extreme cold. This paper finds a statistically significant relationship between incidence of stroke and low temperatures. For ischemic stroke, there was a 32% increase in stroke over lower temperatures.

The Hong paper studied stroke in Inchon, Korea, with much the same results. They found a significant increase in ischemic stroke with just a moderate decrease in temperature, with the stroke occurring the day after the temperature drop, interestingly enough.

The Nafstad paper studied the effects of weather in Oslo, Norway. .They took advantage of the excellent set of Norwegian medical records and found a 15% increase in cardiovascular related deaths from October to March than in April to September.

The Jajat and Haines paper looked at the records for several London practices and found that the elderly see a doctor for cardiovascular-related complaints more often during the winter months than in the summer months.

The Green paper from Israel actually approximated the hot weather conditions we have here in the US Southwest... hot summers and mild winters. They found a 50% higher cardiovascular death rate in the winter months, albeit mild, compared to the blisteringly hot Negev summers. Other Israeli papers corroborate these results.

Feigin, V.L., Nikitin, Yu.P., Bots, M.L., Vinogradova, T.E. and Grobbee, D.E. 2000. A population-based study of the
associations of stroke occurrence with weather parameters in Siberia, Russia (1982-92). European Journal of
Neurology 7: 171-178.

Hong, Y-C., Rha, J-H., Lee, J-T., Ha, E-H., Kwon, H-J. and Kim, H. 2003. Ischemic stroke associated with
decrease in temperature. Epidemiology 14: 473-478.

Nafstad, P., Skrondal, A. and Bjertness, E. 2001. Mortality and temperature in Oslo, Norway. 1990-1995. European
Journal of Epidemiology 17: 621-627.

Hajat, S. and Haines, A. 2002. Associations of cold temperatures with GP consultations for respiratory and
cardiovascular disease amongst the elderly in London. International Journal of Epidemiology 31: 825-
830.

Now this is a classic ace post. I always hate it when ace is offline and I have to look up statistics to back up my facts.
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How can anyone have a heart attack or break one's back shoveling snow? Now I can see working in the heat of Texas to cause one to have a heart attack or worse. It happens every year to many. If I'm not mistaking, heat causes the most weather related deaths than any other weather event.

My sister lived in Milwaukee and there were always heart attacks all over the news after the first heavy snowfall.
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It might be hard to hike in the Colorado mountains, Cupcake, if half your body is paralyzed from a stroke. Even harder if you die of a heart attack.

Of course you could avoid death from stroke or heart attack if you get lost and freeze to death or get eaten by a grizzly.
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Statistics aren't always correct. Numbers can be manipulated behind the scenes.
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It might be hard to hike in the Colorado mountains, Cupcake, if half your body is paralyzed from a stroke. Even harder if you die of a heart attack.

Of course you could avoid death from stroke or heart attack if you get lost and freeze to death or get eaten by a grizzly.
Might be hard for you to walk to the local fried chicken hang out with your moon pie in hand when it's 105 out and your heart is working over time to pump blood through out your over sized body with clogged arteries if half your body is paralyzed by a stroke...Even harder if you die of a heart attack.

You could avoid death from a stroke or heart attack if you die from a heat stroke or a bacterial infection from swimming in one of the Texas lakes.
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I'm a bit puzzled about this "small town feel" opinion. When I drive through downtown and Uptown, north on Akard, down Cedar Springs, and then north on McKinnon, I am going from one high rise canyon to another..
Small town feel in that I

run into people I know many places I go.

am treated like a friend by many strangers.

get a sense of community from where I live and other parts of the metroplex.

never really feel nameless and faceless.
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Statistics aren't always correct. Numbers can be manipulated behind the scenes.
That's certainly true.

James Hansen is one of the most rabid advocates of the Global Warming theory that involves man-made Carbon Dioxide. He is also the head of the NASA group called GISS, and publishes one of the four global climate temperature records. Actually, he doesn't publish raw data from weather stations... his computer programs modify the data extensively in order to "correct" it. His "data" shows global warming. The other three data sets in the world show global cooling within the last few years.

In the case of the studies I mentioned, however, the procedures and records are pretty transparent. It would be an egregious case of scientific fraud for any one of these authors to falsify their data. And there are a couple of dozen more studies that corroborate the link between low temperatures and serious illness or death.
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Might be hard for you to walk to the local fried chicken hang out with your moon pie in hand when it's 105 out and your heart is working over time to pump blood through out your over sized body with clogged arteries if half your body is paralyzed by a stroke...Even harder if you die of a heart attack.

You could avoid death from a stroke or heart attack if you die from a heat stroke or a bacterial infection from swimming in one of the Texas lakes.
Southern stereotype much?
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