03-03-2010, 01:09 AM
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This really sucks! I think all the old buildings along Lower Greenville should be restored and upgraded to modern technology as far as fire safety. Those old buildings are very vulnerable to fire. One of the fire fighters said the tenant walls only went up to the ceiling, so the attic was just one big attic over all the tenants, the reason why it consumed the whole building. I hope Snuffers never catches fire, I would lose my mind if it did. I love that place. Screw all those other locations.
03-03-2010, 01:20 AM
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Although I have no history with these establishments, I feel the loss. Just driving through I can see how this area is obviously a cultural center in Dallas. Losing such places is never good.
My sympathies to you all.
It seems like all my favorite places are going up in smoke lately. Last year a similar and possibly more devastating event occurred in my old Boston Fenway neighborhood.
The entire restaurant row on Peterborough St burned down - that and our favorite Thai place closed down - like 7 restaurants suddenly gone all at once!
Then last week a
whole block of my favorite New England beach - Hampton Beach - went up in smoke . Not to mention I had plans to take the wife to the Windows of the World in October 2001!
And if that's not enough just this past weekend I discovered Fair Park - well the part with the pool and Egyptian style plaza that I had never seen before.
I was
very impressed but then became rather
depressed when I found
the anchor museums are bailing out for Victory Park !
Some victory! VP has nothing in the way of park/garden pleasures that FP has. I don't even see anyplace where they could build it if they chose to. But even if they solve that they can never move the rich history FP has over to VP. That, and I worry if you yank the foundation attraction out of FP that that teetering oasis might just implode. And then I wonder so what's the point of providing rail service then removing the destination?
Any Bostonian witnessing this can't help but shudder with thoughts of
WestEndization .
Oh Dallas, what are you doing?!
Maybe you guys have some comforting backstory or insight on this apparent Fair Park apocalypse?
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03-03-2010, 06:51 AM
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Bostonian, I haven't kept up much with what is moving to Victory or when, but my guess is that maybe the museums don't get as much traffic as they could. I adore Fair Park and visiting the museums there, but I talk to so many people who won't go there. If I could figure out what has happened to my settings of this page, there would be <rolls eyes> right here. I mentioned in another thread, when I've told friends from the suburbs that my daughter and I have spent many a day out at Fair Park, from the time she was in a stroller, they tell me people get shot out there or they know someone who knows someone who was stabbed. Scariest thing I've ever seen during one of our visits were some police trying to catch a loose dog.
03-03-2010, 01:13 PM
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TXGNL -- When I get that response I always say, "well I live right next to Fair Park". I love the look on their faces - usually they are speechless!
03-03-2010, 05:01 PM
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They're probably confused, Lakewooder! LOL
03-03-2010, 05:06 PM
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TXNGL
Bostonian, I haven't kept up much with what is moving to Victory or when, but my guess is that maybe the museums don't get as much traffic as they could. I adore Fair Park and visiting the museums there, but I talk to so many people who won't go there. If I could figure out what has happened to my settings of this page, there would be <rolls eyes> right here. I mentioned in another thread, when I've told friends from the suburbs that my daughter and I have spent many a day out at Fair Park, from the time she was in a stroller, they tell me people get shot out there or they know someone who knows someone who was stabbed. Scariest thing I've ever seen during one of our visits were some police trying to catch a loose dog.
Yeah I love FP. I would go there every day if I lived down there. It's a shame it's so neglected. But cities and neighborhoods go through phases and transitions. Central Park in NYC started out as heaven, went through a hellish eras of muggers, junkies, and freaks for a while, and is now back to posh. I wish (hope) the Museum folks at FP get this perspective so it doesn't end up as a needle park or a parking lot. Honestly I think they are making a huge mistake. watching all those brownstones popping up all over that neighborhood makes me think that neighborhood is on the brink of a major renaissance - one that the Museum will entirely miss if they completely bail.
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Lakewooder
TXGNL -- When I get that response I always say, "well I live right next to Fair Park". I love the look on their faces - usually they are speechless!
Yeah it's baffling LW - so much rumor about FP. I've been there twice - three times including the state Fair - and I have seen nothing of concern - no needles, no rubbers, no bottlecaps. Am I naive? Did FP used to be rough? Times Sq was too - and look at it now.
03-08-2010, 11:01 AM
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People are leaving flower tributes:
03-08-2010, 12:03 PM
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Regarding comments of Fair Park (which is off-topic from this thread)...
The Perot Museum of Nature and Science will be opening their new main museum in Victory Park, but they will keep the old museum open or use them for education facilities. There will still be plenty of museums and activities in Fair Park even as others depart. The aquarium is in the middle of an expansion, a new butterfly house just opened, there are talks of an auto museum, new festivals are taking place in the park and the City is restoring the Art Deco features (the Esplanade and fountains just finished in December, and Hall of State is being restored). Fair Park also has future plans to open the Midway for the summer. With the new DART Green Line stations, Fair Park is looking better than it has in a long time. View the activities here:
Fair Park and the Master Plan here:
http://www.dallascityhall.com/FairPa...sive_plan.html
Of course, you could join the Friends of Fair Park to ensure the great cultural attraction becomes even better!
03-08-2010, 12:15 PM
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Oh I totally forgot about the new butterfly house. I've been dying to get there! Thanks dfwcre8tive! Sorry for OT.
03-08-2010, 03:08 PM
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would probably be better to create a fund to rebuild and have people donate to that vs leaving flowers...
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Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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