What is the Big Deal with the Northern Burbs vs Southern Burbs? (Dallas: crime rate, credit)
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More proof of your ignorance about the southern suburbs. We can never have a discussion about these communities without you posting some type of negative remark or put down. There are plenty of people who choose to live in the southern suburbs and prefer them to other areas of the Metroplex. It will be a great day on this forum when you finally recognize this.
More proof of your ignorance about the southern suburbs. We can never have a discussion about these communities without you posting some type of negative remark or put down. There are plenty of people who choose to live in the southern suburbs and prefer them to other areas of the Metroplex. It will be a great day on this forum when you finally recognize this.
I have been down there and driven through there hundreds of times in the 4 years Ive lived in Dallas. I drove through cedar hill and Duncanville yesterday on my way back from Stephenville.
This why a lot people have enmity towards Plano and Frisco.. Plano is now getting a taste of its own medicine - it was built on white flight and is now dying from white flight. Funny that now folks in Plano are jealous of Frisco - I never thought I would live to see this! Don't be fooled, most of the patterns of real estate developments in the area have their roots in racism and desegregation. Sad but true. I think we can say that there is less overt racism today than circa the 60s, 70s and 80s when this started but you still hear covert comments about 'north good, south bad'.
More proof of your ignorance about the southern suburbs. We can never have a discussion about these communities without you posting some type of negative remark or put down. There are plenty of people who choose to live in the southern suburbs and prefer them to other areas of the Metroplex. It will be a great day on this forum when you finally recognize this.
While I understand the anger of people who live in the less than desired areas,it is not ignorance to make choices based on facts.Ignorance is denying that problems exist.To take 3 northern and 3 southern burbs selected randomly,let's look at them objectively.
Duncanville 331 crime rate
Cedar Hill 260
Desoto 300
Plano 212
Allen 148
McKinney 201
And then there are schools.Is anyone really going to suggest that the first 3 are as good academically as the last 3?
Also,which areas is your house more likely to increase in value if you needed to sell?
Race has nothing to do with making decisions based on factors like these.Hollering racism is simply an easy way out when you don't like the facts.
Personally,I would rather have raised my kids in a multi ethnic environment,all other things being equal.But crime and schools are the top 2 considerations in any home,with the commute becoming up there in a metro area.If I have to choose between lower crime and better schools vs a multi ethnic environment,the safer areas and better schools will win every time.I can teach my kids to respect other peoples myself in my home.
While I understand the anger of people who live in the less than desired areas,it is not ignorance to make choices based on facts.Ignorance is denying that problems exist.To take 3 northern and 3 southern burbs selected randomly,let's look at them objectively.
Duncanville 331 crime rate
Cedar Hill 260
Desoto 300
Plano 212
Allen 148
McKinney 201
And then there are schools.Is anyone really going to suggest that the first 3 are as good academically as the last 3?
Also,which areas is your house more likely to increase in value if you needed to sell?
Race has nothing to do with making decisions based on factors like these.Hollering racism is simply an easy way out when you don't like the facts.
Personally,I would rather have raised my kids in a multi ethnic environment,all other things being equal.But crime and schools are the top 2 considerations in any home,with the commute becoming up there in a metro area.If I have to choose between lower crime and better schools vs a multi ethnic environment,the safer areas and better schools will win every time.I can teach my kids to respect other peoples myself in my home.
While I understand the anger of people who live in the less than desired areas,it is not ignorance to make choices based on facts.Ignorance is denying that problems exist.To take 3 northern and 3 southern burbs selected randomly,let's look at them objectively.
Duncanville 331 crime rate
Cedar Hill 260
Desoto 300
Plano 212
Allen 148
McKinney 201
And then there are schools.Is anyone really going to suggest that the first 3 are as good academically as the last 3?
Also,which areas is your house more likely to increase in value if you needed to sell?
Race has nothing to do with making decisions based on factors like these.Hollering racism is simply an easy way out when you don't like the facts.
Personally,I would rather have raised my kids in a multi ethnic environment,all other things being equal.But crime and schools are the top 2 considerations in any home,with the commute becoming up there in a metro area.If I have to choose between lower crime and better schools vs a multi ethnic environment,the safer areas and better schools will win every time.I can teach my kids to respect other peoples myself in my
home.
Since the OP considered CH specifically....crime in CH is no different than your beloved Northern burbs. I found stats too that show that crime in CH is actually lower...
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"Cedar Hill, TX, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 2. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 3."
For Richardson, it is 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, Plano's is 2, same Cedar Hills. Cedar Hill's property crime rate on the same scale is lower (3) than Plano's , 4 and richardsons ,5.
You are just as safe in Cedar Hill as you are in Plano, Richardson, or any other Northern burb
As for schools, here is something beyond dispute.Plano schools have a low performing elementary school, all Cedar Hill elementary schools are either exemplary or recognized. Mckinney schools have a low performing high school, Cedar hill has a recognized 9th grade center and an exemplary high school, yet we all know that, without question, these schools (McKinney and plano) are viewed as being "good" and CH "bad".
Look at who is agreeing with you (Dave G99), a closet racist based on his past posts.
These are the "facts" and I am hollering racism...., or at the very least, some kind of racial bias.
While I understand the anger of people who live in the less than desired areas,it is not ignorance to make choices based on facts.Ignorance is denying that problems exist.To take 3 northern and 3 southern burbs selected randomly,let's look at them objectively.
Duncanville 331 crime rate
Cedar Hill 260
Desoto 300
Plano 212
Allen 148
McKinney 201
And then there are schools.Is anyone really going to suggest that the first 3 are as good academically as the last 3?
Also,which areas is your house more likely to increase in value if you needed to sell?
Race has nothing to do with making decisions based on factors like these.Hollering racism is simply an easy way out when you don't like the facts.
Personally,I would rather have raised my kids in a multi ethnic environment,all other things being equal.But crime and schools are the top 2 considerations in any home,with the commute becoming up there in a metro area.If I have to choose between lower crime and better schools vs a multi ethnic environment,the safer areas and better schools will win every time.I can teach my kids to respect other peoples myself in my home.
First, I try to be respectful of others opinions on here, but a lot of comments are made about the southern suburbs that aren't true and come from people whose knowledge of the area is poor or negligible at best. I share my opinions on this forum as a 20+ year resident of the southern suburbs. I grew up here, attended school here, and know how my life, my neighborhood, and my city are. Just because our communities are not considered the "it" suburbs of the moment does not mean that there aren't nice places to live here. Our cities have not doubled in size like some of the northern suburbs, but have grown significantly over the past decade. Cedar Hill and Lancaster are among the fastest growing cities in Dallas County, each having grown over 40 percent during the last decade. DeSoto, the largest southern suburb, experienced a 30 percent increase. If these communities were truly as "undesirable" as some on this forum like to portray them as, I doubt that this growth would have taken place. I would also add that most of this growth has been among middle and upper middle class residents, as evidenced by the rising median incomes and college-educated households in this area.
If you read my comments on this thread, no where did I mention race. Others tend to bring up race when talking about the southern suburbs, many of which, have false perceptions about the true make-up and diverse nature of our communities. I did not "holler" racism and don't appreciate being accused of making such a statement.
The southern suburbs don't the the highest crime rates in DFW. According to the latest crime statistics published by the FBI for 2008, which I posted on this thread. The following cities have the highest rates of crime per capita in DFW. Please note the absence of the southern suburbs as well as the three northern suburbs you mentioned:
The violent crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants for the DFW area is 457.5. Cedar Hill, DeSoto, Duncanville, Lancaster, Midlothian, Waxahachie, and Red Oak all have rates significantly lower than the metro average.
I stand by my earlier post regarding the insults directed at my community and the surrounding cities by DaveG99. His comments about this area have been uniformly negative, he has presented information as fact that isn't true, and has on more than one occasion injected race and racially-motivated prejudice into discussions regarding the southern suburbs. They weren't a match for him so he found a home in Plano, which is fine, everyone should live where they want. But is it necessary for him to try and steer every person interested in the southern suburbs away even when they might be right for the person asking about them?
There aren't that many posters on this forum who live in Cedar Hill, DeSoto, Duncanville, and Lancaster, but the few who do spend a lot of time having to dispel false generalizations that are frequently leveled at the places in which we have chosen to live. We don't engage in the wholesale bashing of entire regions of the Metroplex that we don't live in. I recognize that the northern suburbs are nice, safe places to live, but if we wanted to live in Plano, Allen, or McKinney, we would be living there. I also know from my experiences in the southern suburbs that we enjoy a good quality of life here as well. They aren't perfect communities, but neither or any of the northern suburbs, Dallas, Fort Worth, or any city.
I'll end this post similar to the previous one, it will be a great day on this forum when people recognize that "nice," "desirable," communities and neighborhoods can be found ALL over the DFW area. If you read things about your community that you know were objectionable and not factually accurate, wouldn't you counter that by stating why you disagree with it? That's all I'm doing.
Acntx, I tried to give you more rep points but it told me to spread it around more. Your response was on the mark as usual. Keep on chipping away at the bias towards all places south of I-30.
Acntx, I tried to give you more rep points but it told me to spread it around more. Your response was on the mark as usual. Keep on chipping away at the bias towards all places south of I-30.
Thanks so much. I really appreciate the compliment.
I'm neither north nor south (yes there is EAST) but I went to high school with some folks from (gasp) south of I-30 from the Jubilee Park and Owenwood areas just north of Fair Park. Some of them were among my very best friends. One of them died last week from a sudden heart attack - he went on to SMU and worked in management positions at Dow Chemical, IBM, GE and Phillips. So this is also personal for me.
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finally someone with some sense!
I really appreciate the compliment.
