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Old 07-04-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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there is no chance dayton and cincinnati will be the same msa.baltimore and washington are seperate msa's and only 28 miles apart,san jose is a seperate msa from san fransisco,cleveland and akron are seperate msa's and only 24 miles apart,what the census will do is classify the area not as an msa but another definition even apart from a csa.both dayton and cinicnnati have to find a way to grow economically and then population growth will occur,without growth no amount of adding counties will change the reality iof living in those cities..what next add lexington and columbus and louisville,maybe indy..then we would be as big as tokyo ..but no one would take that seriosly
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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there is no chance dayton and cincinnati will be the same msa.baltimore and washington are seperate msa's and only 28 miles apart,san jose is a seperate msa from san fransisco,cleveland and akron are seperate msa's and only 24 miles apart,what the census will do is classify the area not as an msa but another definition even apart from a csa.both dayton and cinicnnati have to find a way to grow economically and then population growth will occur,without growth no amount of adding counties will change the reality iof living in those cities..what next add lexington and columbus and louisville,maybe indy..then we would be as big as tokyo ..but no one would take that seriosly
You're free to continue to think what you want. Facts, unfortunately, don't agree.

Cincinnati and Dayton will absolutely be considered one large area in the next two to three years. Do you have linkable proof, and not personal opinions and biases, that would suggest otherwise? And do you dispute that some MSAs have two points that are considerably further apart than Troy and northern Kentucky?

And you're right, nobody takes Indianapolis, Columbus or Louisville seriously because of the ridiculous smoke and mirror ways they used to artificially make their CITY larger. As you know, metros aren't cities, and Cincinnati-Dayton blow each of those three out of the water.
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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source us census ...2010 census msa columbus ohio msa =13% growth,indianapolis indiana msa=11% growth,louisville kentucky msa=12% growth...combined dayton cincy msa=1% growth
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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source us census ...2010 census msa columbus ohio msa =13% growth,indianapolis indiana msa=11% growth,louisville kentucky msa=12% growth...combined dayton cincy msa=1% growth
And despite all the recent growth, each of those metros is smaller than Cincinnati alone, let alone a combined Cincinnati-Dayton metroplex.
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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You're free to continue to think what you want. Facts, unfortunately, don't agree.

Cincinnati and Dayton will absolutely be considered one large area in the next two to three years. Do you have linkable proof, and not personal opinions and biases, that would suggest otherwise? And do you dispute that some MSAs have two points that are considerably further apart than Troy and northern Kentucky?

And you're right, nobody takes Indianapolis, Columbus or Louisville seriously because of the ridiculous smoke and mirror ways they used to artificially make their CITY larger. As you know, metros aren't cities, and Cincinnati-Dayton blow each of those three out of the water.
I doubt it. It looks like 50% of the board posts stuff without any proof. I won't name any names . You are right. Cincy is not shrinking. People are selling those high priced yuppy houses in Northern Kentucky and moving back over to the Ohio side of the river
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:49 PM
 
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you can go to the us office of manegement and budget and look at the criteria for defining msa and csa boundaries.there is no chance dayton will become part of the cincinnati msa,very long shot at being in the csa but only montgomery and perhaps greene county would be included if that were to happen but officials in dayton would probably fight any attempt to do so,although the process is supposed to be free of any political pressure etc.right now dayton is a csa of almost 1.1 million and an important city in its own right.having lived in both dayton in centerville and cincinnati..i want both cities to prosper and i believe both will in the long run
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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It would be in the best interest of the cities to join together.
Oh, please, make it stop. You can't get people in Hamilton County alone to join together. On anything. Good luck trying that with three or four additional counties.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:05 PM
 
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And there are plenty of other everyday Cincinnati-Dayton interactions that just don't exist for Dayton with Columbus (overlapping radio/TV stations
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There is some overlap of the TV stations' coverage - for those who actually live between the metros, or those elsewhere who put a good antenna on the roof - but the Dayton and Cincinnati markets are not one market, as is DFW, SF/Oak or MSP

NBC 2 (51) Dayton AND 5 (35) Cincy
CBS 7 (41) Dayton AND 12 Cincy
ABC 22 (51) Dayton AND 9 (22) Cincy
Fox 45 (30) Dayton AND 19 (29) Cincy
PBS 16 Dayton AND 48 (34) Cincy

A historical note on this is that one TV station owner in Fort Worth was hoping to keep FW and Dallas separate as far as television is concerned. They wanted to keep their station as a Fort Worth station and not move its transmitter. This was problematic for their network as their signal was fairly weak in Dallas and thus prone to interference. When it became clear that the network could sign up another VHF station to serve as the affiliate for both cities, and that the network would drop the FW station if they did - the FW station agreed to move their transmitter to Cedar Hill with everybody else.
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Old 07-05-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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There is some overlap of the TV stations' coverage - for those who actually live between the metros, or those elsewhere who put a good antenna on the roof - but the Dayton and Cincinnati markets are not one market, as is DFW, SF/Oak or MSP

NBC 2 (51) Dayton AND 5 (35) Cincy
CBS 7 (41) Dayton AND 12 Cincy
ABC 22 (51) Dayton AND 9 (22) Cincy
Fox 45 (30) Dayton AND 19 (29) Cincy
PBS 16 Dayton AND 48 (34) Cincy

A historical note on this is that one TV station owner in Fort Worth was hoping to keep FW and Dallas separate as far as television is concerned. They wanted to keep their station as a Fort Worth station and not move its transmitter. This was problematic for their network as their signal was fairly weak in Dallas and thus prone to interference. When it became clear that the network could sign up another VHF station to serve as the affiliate for both cities, and that the network would drop the FW station if they did - the FW station agreed to move their transmitter to Cedar Hill with everybody else.
All of those cities have their own separate newspapers: Dallas Morning News/Fort Worth Star-Telegram; San Francisco Chronicle/Oakland Tribune; Minneapolis Star-Tribune/St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Dayton and Cincinnati have historically never been as linked as they are today, which is why each is considered its own TV market. Each of the cities' ABC, NBC and CBS affiliates have been around for ages, so I doubt much will change with TV. But I think you could start seeing some radio stations serve both cities, and some already do. The all-Spanish 97.7 markets to all of Cincinnati, south Dayton and the growing hispanic population in Butler County; Q-102 is already listened to quite a bit in Springboro, Centerville, Bellbrook, etc; and WLW has long been one of Dayton's highest rated stations.
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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I don't see it truly happening anytime soon. D/FW are both far larger than Dayton/Cincy and are closer to each other. and M/SP actually border each other.

This is not to say that Dayton and Cincy do not influence each other, they already do, just like the "Detredo" area, with Toledo still a metro of its own but undeniably under the influence of Detroit.

The one barrier to a Cin-Day metroplex today is that both cities are shrinking.

Gasoline prices also are a limiting factor. When gas was $ 1.20/gal, it have have made sense for someone in Dayton to court business in/from Cincinnati - at $ 4.00, it is not necessarily profitable. This brings us back to "Detredo" - 13 years ago, when suburban Detroit housing became downright unaffordable, some were looking at the North edge of Toledo as "the next suburb". Now, the commute is expensive and Detroit area homes are cheap (if you can get a loan).
I don't see how Toledo is under the influence of Detroit at all, maybe to use the airport and casino. I have found a lot of people from SE Michigan have moved to the Toledo metro area and that is where you are seeing the influence from.
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